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Nael Darnus Apr 25, 2013 @ 1:39pm
So, Renoah.
Seems to get focused a lot, and any ability she does have seems to lead to cries of "kill stealing," which given either the map or the nature of the class seems to be unfair.

But I ask, if you take away Renoah's "cheap" ranged abilities, what can be given in place to make up for it?
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Cytrode Apr 25, 2013 @ 9:01pm 
I think it's her Q that causes the most complaints. I don't think I've ever felt that a Renoah stole my kill unless she's using her Q from the other side of the map. I don't know how to balance it without breaking it. Maybe make the damage partially blockable, but make the timer before it hits much faster... that way if you're not busy you'll be able to block part of the damage but if you're in the middle of a combo you'll be hit.
Lenz Apr 26, 2013 @ 2:09am 
Originally posted by Cytrode:
I think it's her Q that causes the most complaints. I don't think I've ever felt that a Renoah stole my kill unless she's using her Q from the other side of the map. I don't know how to balance it without breaking it. Maybe make the damage partially blockable, but make the timer before it hits much faster... that way if you're not busy you'll be able to block part of the damage but if you're in the middle of a combo you'll be hit.

yeah her Q is a bit silly. It even hits you in spawn points in maps like netherdale.. That being said if you are on a team play map then whoever got the kill is irrelevent. People focus way too much on kill scores in team maps... If a renoah killed someone i was fighting on a team map i could care less since kill scores arent what allow your team to win. :D
ian-uk-2005 Apr 26, 2013 @ 4:59pm 
Her smg abilities aren't an issue for me, her shift skill plus her speed could do with a minor nerf in my opinion though to balance it a bit more.
Geminosity Apr 26, 2013 @ 5:51pm 
uh... SMGs are Elika not Renoah and Renoah has the second slowest footspeed in the game (I think she's faster than cezanne at least)

My only issue when playing her or against her is her Q attack. A lot of the Q attacks in the game can be dealt with but hers is a real special case and the ways of dealing with it are both limited and equally as expensive as the Q itself.

If you do get surrounded with her though you're pretty much straight up dead. Her roll and footspeed are pretty bad. I don't mind her inability to escape in 1v1 as it's a good balance for her ranged capabilities but when the crowd comes knocking it'd be nice if she had an Escape Q ability or something instead of her auto-hit-everyone-in-a-mile-radius.

On an unrelated note, does anyone even use her F ability? :P
Candy Fang Apr 26, 2013 @ 7:43pm 
I agree. Her Q is sometimes a little bit imba, since it hits way to many ppl and they cant do ♥♥♥♥ against it.
Make it blockable, but drastically decrease the time it takes to hit. That way you would have a chance to block it, if only a slight one.
<TOP KEK, GET REKTED Apr 26, 2013 @ 7:51pm 
her Q is a insta free hit for her no matter where you are....and bypasses cezannes SHift Ghost mist mode
Geminosity Apr 26, 2013 @ 8:05pm 
For those who don't know Renoah's Q is a status effect and can be 'cleansed' off people by Senwon before it hits to cancel it. Senwon can also vajra-stance at the right time to completely dodge it.
Also, Danmei's Embrace of the Emperess should also be invulnerable to it if it's active when the shot hits and while far from ideal, Renny can 'death armour' through it (aka get killed but not die :P )

Come to think on it, Elrath's magic armour is supposed to nullify the first status that hits you: wonder if it includes Renoah's Q? :o
I've also not checked if Valle and Tiac's super armour block/reduce it yet.

That's not to say that these are all acceptable. You don't have to do any of that to deal with most other people's Q attacks :/
Edalborez Apr 26, 2013 @ 8:47pm 
Originally posted by Geminosity:
Come to think on it, Elrath's magic armour is supposed to nullify the first status that hits you: wonder if it includes Renoah's Q? :o
I've also not checked if Valle and Tiac's super armour block/reduce it yet.

Elrath's works, but it has to be up before Renoah does her Q of course.
Valle's Q will block it if it's fresh; Renoah Q does about 79 damage (to her, +/-1) and I'd estimate Valle's Q can take 100 damage before breaking. So if you took over 20 you're probably going to get hit.
Emonium Apr 27, 2013 @ 11:17am 
Originally posted by Edalborez:
Originally posted by Geminosity:
Come to think on it, Elrath's magic armour is supposed to nullify the first status that hits you: wonder if it includes Renoah's Q? :o
I've also not checked if Valle and Tiac's super armour block/reduce it yet.

Elrath's works, but it has to be up before Renoah does her Q of course.
Valle's Q will block it if it's fresh; Renoah Q does about 79 damage (to her, +/-1) and I'd estimate Valle's Q can take 100 damage before breaking. So if you took over 20 you're probably going to get hit.
This actually reminded me of a 3v3 steam canal match I was in where Renoah casted her Q and we all reacted. Valle casting her magic armour, Tiac casting his armour and my sewon casting cleanse. It was uber cool nstuff.
Nael Darnus Apr 27, 2013 @ 5:55pm 
Thanks for the comments. Actually, I'd consider changing her Q ability some way, but perhaps this is how it works in the book.

Also yeah, F isn't utterly useless but not quite worth taking up RP instead of saving it all for Q.
Saint's Row May 3, 2013 @ 2:31am 
Pick Elrath or Sewon
????
Profit
Nael Darnus May 3, 2013 @ 2:51am 
It's kind of weird, but I'm very particular about the characters in this game.

Namely, almost all of them seem to be messed up in terms of back story in some way.

Elrath and Renny are right out because they're undead.

Elika is an evil insurance shark and very graceless in how she moves, among other things.*

Renoah, though she's my main, is basically an autistic sociopath because of the effect her powers have on her.

Valle is the only female character not messed up, and she kind of bores me in terms of backstory and personality.

* Seriously, compare the posture and stuff of Renoah and Elika. When someone like Renoah has more style than you do, you're doing it wrong.
hickwarrior May 3, 2013 @ 8:26am 
Originally posted by lordatoli999:
It's kind of weird, but I'm very particular about the characters in this game.

Namely, almost all of them seem to be messed up in terms of back story in some way.

Elrath and Renny are right out because they're undead.

Elika is an evil insurance shark and very graceless in how she moves, among other things.*

Renoah, though she's my main, is basically an autistic sociopath because of the effect her powers have on her.

Valle is the only female character not messed up, and she kind of bores me in terms of backstory and personality.

* Seriously, compare the posture and stuff of Renoah and Elika. When someone like Renoah has more style than you do, you're doing it wrong.

If we're going to discuss lore, Valle could potentially go insane due to her heritage.

Renoah is more a sociopath not because of her powers, as I interpret, but because she only sees 2 poeple as truly human. Others are just targets to shoot at for her.

Also, Archeblade seems like one of those novels. One where every character are on such extreme ends, it actually makes them more diverse if anything. With that said, it shouldn't be blown up too much, or you just get something that you can't take seriously.

As for the topic, yea her Q is free damage, but only in the sense that if she knows what could block it. Otherwise, those 5 RP aren't going to come back easy. I mean, cleanse and magic shield are quite inexpensive for what they do, negate her Q and other debuffs.
Nael Darnus May 3, 2013 @ 1:12pm 
Well when I say her powers, I mean the description implies that the reason she sees everyone but her nii-chan (tongue firmly in cheek) and her father as meatbags is because her inborn power makes her do so.
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