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[FG] Zetmech Apr 1, 2013 @ 6:15am
F Renny is OP.
F Renny is OP beyond belief. Simple as.
I dont care if shes hard to play as char, but her damage is insanely high and her rage power is RESURRECTION. This means if you master her, you are near invincible. I played a game at Nagas Pit, and this guy handled F Renny so good, he/she didnt die at all.
Her damage should be nerfed and her rage power should be changed.
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DYSEQTA Apr 1, 2013 @ 6:40am 
This should be in the Character Balance subforum.

Fire Renny is not as OP as you might think. She has one thing I see as a problem and that is her first tornado launching. Other than that no, she's not realy. That res power really isn't as good as you think it is.

Trust me, once you get better yourself and learn about blocking, evading, etc your opinion will almost certainly change.
hickwarrior Apr 1, 2013 @ 6:43am 
Oh geeze... it seems a lot of people play FFA... I got nothing for ya, but learn that she is so squishy, that having that ress skill is a boon. Really, if anything, Renoah and Elrath have to get focused, or they're running around KSing everything.

Anyway, that ress skill takes all of her rage bars from what I've read around here. So, it's kind of a last ditch effort to survive.

Now putting all of that together, it's important to think what your opponent might do. This will help the most out of everything. I like to think that I'll be surprised when I get hit by that character and various skills I have no idea of what they actually do. The best thing I can do then is to just be more careful and see how the player is reacting to what I do. As well a block when possible, since that can help quite a bit.

But hey FFAs, you either love them or hate them. Personally, I think that mode has no business of being in this game. Teamwork all the way.
DYSEQTA Apr 1, 2013 @ 6:52am 
Originally posted by hickwarrior:
Personally, I think that mode has no business of being in this game. Teamwork all the way.

+1 Agreed.
AnnoyingCat Apr 1, 2013 @ 7:13am 
Originally posted by FG Zetmech:
F Renny is OP beyond belief. Simple as.
I dont care if shes hard to play as char, but her damage is insanely high and her rage power is RESURRECTION. This means if you master her, you are near invincible. I played a game at Nagas Pit, and this guy handled F Renny so good, he/she didnt die at all.
Her damage should be nerfed and her rage power should be changed.
remember he/ she is a goof F Renny, getting served by him means you need more skills
[FG] Zetmech Apr 1, 2013 @ 7:45am 
Originally posted by AnnoyingCat:
remember he/ she is a goof F Renny, getting served by him means you need more skills

Thats not what I mean. I got this guy a bunch of times, and every time he resurrected. Every. God-damn. Time.

Originally posted by hickwarrior:
Really, if anything, Renoah and Elrath have to get focused, or they're running around KSing everything.

Yes, agreed. I like to roll with ♥♥♥♥ most of the times I do Nagas Pit, and I quickly learned, with Renoah especially, that shes a ranged dealer. All I had to do was just force her into close range, and I would win most times.

Originally posted by Kokoro:
Trust me, once you get better yourself and learn about blocking, evading, etc your opinion will almost certainly change.

First off, sorry, Im not used to using the Steam forums. Secondly, yes, I also think that her first tonado attack is annoying as ♥♥♥♥ IF you get hit, but for me, the times Ive faced her, only around half the times she would land that tornado on me.
AcidLies Apr 1, 2013 @ 9:20am 
I fell F.Renny's power + her CC + her movement, makes her way to powerful. Yes shes a little hard to learn. But once you learn you can run up to someone do your groundpound tornado thing that knocks people up (No only does the actual attack knock someone up, but if you spin around real quick you can have the tornado come back towards you, also knocking up the person your fighting. Then you can do your melee combo, which for people that didnt know, you attack 2-3 times infront of the person then teleport behind them and do a kick straight to their back... (Back attacks deal double damage.) For anyone that is not a tank.... that combo is undefendable and will insta kill you... the only way to stop that attack is to dodge the first attack.... and even when you do a Decent F.Renny will quickly teleport behind you after missing then repeat the same combo... and if she misses again she can teleport once more... (She can Shift teleport 4 times before her stam runs out....)

My suggestion is to make it so the tornado attack moves slower, that actually groundpound that created the tornado shouldnt do a knockup.... and she should only be able to teleport twice.. and her Revive buff should only last like 10 seconds... (Right now, once you press the revive button, whenever you die you will revive.... so you can press it, then gain enough power to be able to press it again after you die and revive.)
hickwarrior Apr 1, 2013 @ 9:33am 
I typically don't have that type of problem with fire rennies as far I am concerned. You just need to be quick about it.

And since you know that is what she does, you can actively prepare and stop her attempt however she might try it.

But I'm more knowledgeable about steam canal, where it's more important to work like a team than to pick 1v1 fights. Which is what I'm seeing is what she excels at.
Werodar Apr 1, 2013 @ 9:38am 
Originally posted by Kokoro:
This should be in the Character Balance subforum.

Fire Renny is not as OP as you might think. She has one thing I see as a problem and that is her first tornado launching. Other than that no, she's not realy. That res power really isn't as good as you think it is.

Trust me, once you get better yourself and learn about blocking, evading, etc your opinion will almost certainly change.

yeah im playing her myself though and i have to say once you catch someone with your rtornado they are dead simple as that you can either just spam tornados ill they die and they cant do ♥♥♥♥ or you just kick em into the air after the tornado and kill em that way thats the only thing op about her endless cc
JD777 Apr 1, 2013 @ 10:07am 
Fire Renny isn't that OP if you know how to deal with her. And like Kokoro said, the only real issue is her tornado launching characters from a distance. Her damage is fine for how squishy she is.

But like Werodar said, it doesn't take that much effort to win with F. Renny compared to someone else facing her, except for Tiac and his superarmor. It'd be great if she was a difficult to learn, difficult to master, high damage, high reward character.

Right now, she's a little too "easy-mode" for players looking for a real challenging character. But she's fine for players who want to win easily.
Javier- Apr 1, 2013 @ 10:12am 
Yea..shes the type of char that'd make any newbie stay away xD,surely op and needs to be balanced atleast limit her use of tornado and teleport.
hickwarrior Apr 1, 2013 @ 10:14am 
Originally posted by Precision:
Yea..shes the type of char that'd make any newbie stay away xD,surely op and needs to be balanced atleast limit her use of tornado and teleport.

So, she's newbie stomper, go her. Characters like Nyx Assassin are like that too.
MistahBlob Apr 1, 2013 @ 10:16am 
Not really.. I've been playing F. Renny only the past 3-4 days since I started playing the game and there have been loads of people who know what they were doing vs me. They were able to block in midair during my combo somtimes. She's able to easily kill you if your a squishy player such as Renoah (but then again as Renoah you shouldn't be anywhere in the frontlines).

Main thing is to know what your character is able to do. If your a ranged, abuse it and harrass from behind where it's safe. And if you know how to use your "dodge" skill then you can easily turn htge fight around.
=(eG)= FlyingWaffle Apr 1, 2013 @ 11:43am 
Okay, here is a short and sweet guide to playing against Flame Renny. All of her attacks, either you can easily dodge them (Dodging is a major skill to know in this game if you didn't already know, learn it), or by blocking them they are pretty much useless. You will have to get to know what it looks like for the two type, but once you get this down, playing against an average F. Renny will be quite easy. Right now the hit register is messed up with some of her moves, making it too easy to dodge. Take advantage of it.
Bird_the_Word Apr 1, 2013 @ 11:53am 
shes my favorite char, but shes one the hardest u are strong but u don't take damage well, normal and fire renny are basically glass cannon they can dish it out but can't take it, just have to learn to dodge u be fine, hardest chars i have hard time with is tanks like paladin girl and knight.

i think two gunners more op'd then renny's personally sniper girl uli shouldn't be universal skill, sniper range is insanely far i been killed more then half screen away, girl with glasses shes just cheap as hell just spam bullet easy wins, her uli cant' be near her or you're dead.
Nijuu Apr 1, 2013 @ 3:27pm 
Is there a cooldown for her spamming tornados?. blocking her is fine but getting in a counterattack doesnt seem to work for me (tried with Richard & Renoah)
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