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Dark Knight 6969 May 10, 2013 @ 6:18pm
Community's Response to Hackers
I picked up this game not too long ago, and for all its flaws, glitches, and inbalances, I've enjoyed most of my time so far. Hackers, however, have really started to effect my enjoyment in really obvious ways. It's not even subtle hacking either... people seem to get on, turn up their 3x speed hack, and play away while bragging and trolling about it.

Now hackers and the lack of proper admin enforcement is one thing, but what troubles me more is the community's inability to respond to hacking effectively. To be more precise, everybody in a Netherdale server can agree that somebody is clearly cheating, but the players who are benefiting from the cheating will continue playing as if it's okay. In fact, they may even taunt the losing team while their teammate flies around the map preventing anybody from playing a descent game.

I'll admit that I've only ever seen one individual do this, but I have played him multiple times, and each time the game decays into a pathetic struggle by the losing team. I don't know what the best solution is in terms of spotting and dealing with hackers, but I do know that if the community simply allows for it, this will ruin the game for many players in its early stages.

I would love to here some responses, but remember that "just be better than them" is not a reasonable solution since not everybody should be expected to outplay a hacker with a clear advantage.
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Hibbsan May 10, 2013 @ 6:28pm 
Recently played with someone named "ihackyourmom" i think his name was and he had speedhack and kept harassing everyone in the game. There seriously need to be some sort of report option added to the game. and hopefully there will come a patch soon, that might take away the hacks for a while atleast.
Dark Knight 6969 May 10, 2013 @ 6:31pm 
lol, he's the exact person I'm referring too.
NeedCoffee May 10, 2013 @ 6:38pm 
While I feel your pain, Your not gonna win over anyone by creating a thread about hackers/game cheaters.

When one feels the need to vindicate themselves by discussing a problem like this with a competitive, pvp minded community....the general response will be everyone will be against you.

the cheaters themselves will post things like "your just expirencing lag"
everyone else will just assume your not very good and flame you.
moderators will tell you its against policy to even discuss such things.

the only way to beat hackers is to run screen capture software while you play and catch the hackers in the act. Then post the heck out of it.

also unrealengine has a replay feature. Where you can download/replay your entire last match. Ive seen games use them to catch hackers/cheaters. Its not implimented in archeblade yet, but i heard its in the works


the screen capture software bundled with razer gamebooster is one of the best ive used. (and its free)
http://www.razerzone.com/gamebooster
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Dark Knight 6969 May 10, 2013 @ 8:01pm 
Thank you for the suggestion. Once you get said videos/screen captures, is posting them on this forum the most effective way to remove the cheater?
NeedCoffee May 10, 2013 @ 8:34pm 
I cant make any promises. I dont claim to know codebrushes policy on cheating.

I only know I've been in your shoes a few times. It never got me anywhere complaining about it on the forums.

I also know the more scripts codebrush has running server side the less cheating will occur.

Its my personal opinion that thats why league of legend has the largest player base of any free to play game online. becasue most of the game is run server side making hacking pointless.
Arngrim May 11, 2013 @ 12:03am 
Doesn't change the fact a certain player, one player, was obviously using a speed hack. You couldn't catch him spriting as Tiac when he was moving normally.
Cytrode May 11, 2013 @ 12:40am 
I taunt hackers for being so inept at a video game that they need to cheat. I've never succeeded in getting them to exit, turn off their hacks, and come back but it usually makes them target me as though killing me with hacks somehow proves something. Then I just laugh, and laugh, and laugh.
DYSEQTA May 11, 2013 @ 3:30am 
Ok here's my repsonse to hackers.

I was just playing Netherdale on a Seatle server, a player named "scout" came in on my team as a d1ck using a speed hack. How do I know it was ahack? because at round start we left the spawn tower at the same time. In the time it took me to get to our first pylon (as Renoah) he was already at central and halfway through capping. That ain't no lag.

In this case I have absolutely no problem naming and shaming as I am 100% certain that a hack was being used. There is no excuse for this behaviour. If codebrush wants to delete or redact my post because I named a user then that's thier business.
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$cno0B! May 11, 2013 @ 4:38am 
well naming on a steam game is not good enough because they can change their name:/ Wish we could see their steam ids :)
Soulfire May 11, 2013 @ 11:33am 
Originally posted by Cytrode:
I taunt hackers for being so inept at a video game that they need to cheat. I've never succeeded in getting them to exit, turn off their hacks, and come back but it usually makes them target me as though killing me with hacks somehow proves something.
I'm still an amateur, but I like finding out how a game works and creating codes; the challenge is fun for me. Generally it's preferable after completing a game properly, though, because that's usually where most the fun is.

However, hacking in competitive multiplayer games like this one against random people is extremely disrespectful--not to say it isn't disrespectful in other forms of multiplayer, but this is first-class. If they want to do that they should be making their own server with VAC off.

Unfortunately, this game being free to play means hackers can just make more and more accounts to keep coming back. So...I dunno what you can do. I don't expect someone already displaying blatant disregard for others to acquiesce to a request to stop cheating. They simply don't care.

There's one other thing I'd like to point out regarding something you said, which is why I included it in the quote, and that's that hackers don't necessarily have to quit to shut a cheat off. I can understand people thinking that because there are consumer handheld and console cheat tools that work like that, but for computers you should assume whatever they're using lets them toggle hacks midgame. Additionally, this means it's easy to cheat whenever people aren't looking. Hackers can even go as far as to set hotkeys.
Cytrode May 11, 2013 @ 4:36pm 
Originally posted by Soulfire:
There's one other thing I'd like to point out regarding something you said, which is why I included it in the quote, and that's that hackers don't necessarily have to quit to shut a cheat off. I can understand people thinking that because there are consumer handheld and console cheat tools that work like that, but for computers you should assume whatever they're using lets them toggle hacks midgame. Additionally, this means it's easy to cheat whenever people aren't looking. Hackers can even go as far as to set hotkeys.

Good to know, actually. I remember a long time ago playing a game (HL2: Deathmatch) where I did successfully get a hacker to leave, turn off his hacks, and come back. I just assumed that was how it worked after that incident. I never looked into hacking because I can't bring myself to focus on coding and I'm not interested in cheating to begin with. Kudos.
NeedCoffee May 11, 2013 @ 4:52pm 
@ Soulfire

I respect your honesty. I cant say ive ever met an honest hacker/cheater.

I guess its a point of view thing. Even though i have a little scripting knowlage, Id never create cheats using some kind of archeblade sdk in the name of fun, because that kind of fun ruins others fun. Sacrificing the fun of many for the fun of one seems selfish.
Soulfire May 11, 2013 @ 10:37pm 
Originally posted by NeedCoffee:
@ Soulfire

I respect your honesty. I cant say ive ever met an honest hacker/cheater.
Whoa, someone might jump halfway down the page and make an incorrect inference. To be clear, I've never once hacked this game nor so much as looked at its memory, unless you consider my participating in Steam Canal matches set up by the scrimmage group that were styled after Under Siege rules by using a renamed file to be hacking. (But then effectively that means you'd be against custom maps designed by users should they be made in the future. "Modding" is a more correct term in this case.) Click here to view their stream recording[www.twitch.tv] if you want to see what that looks like. By the way, 1:40:00 to 1:41:55 is the best part because it's the part where I win! Hahahaha!

Originally posted by NeedCoffee:
I guess its a point of view thing. Even though i have a little scripting knowlage, Id never create cheats using some kind of archeblade sdk in the name of fun, because that kind of fun ruins others fun. Sacrificing the fun of many for the fun of one seems selfish.
It's beyond seeming that way. It is. That's the core issue. If you're not considerate towards others you're not a real gamer in my eyes, much less a good person. Such immoral behavior is what nets the term "hacker" its negative connotation. At its best hacking is simply a fun method to pull some extra value out of solo gameplay, but it can be a double-edged sword used carelessly. Playing games through properly first is encouraged. In lieu of these things, I think the hackers-are-the-devil mentality is rather sad. They're not wholly an unethical bunch out to destroy the gaming experiences of others. Honor also exists here.
Maestromind May 11, 2013 @ 11:57pm 
As I posted in several other threads, in regards to "hackers" or "exploiters."

I would ask that you email support@codebrush.net. In your email please include the Server Name, approx time of game and the name of the person suspected.
Dark Knight 6969 May 12, 2013 @ 12:47am 
Thanks for the info Maestromind. I was looking around and hadn't seen any of your other postings. Perhaps some info about how to deal with hacking should be pinned? I don't normally browse the discussions here, so I wasn't sure how to approach this.
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