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Kreddi Apr 29, 2013 @ 2:51am
To many run-away attacks?
I understand that certain charracters are meant to be medium-range fighters, but there really is too many abilities that push themself backwards while dealing damage to who ever are chasing them. It's just not a fun mecanic imo.
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Umanthius Apr 29, 2013 @ 3:15am 
can you identify what you mean more breifly.

what map(s) do you play in where you experience this most?
which character(s) do you see this with?
what character(s) do you play with?

i understand how you feel about this, but it just takes some time to get around that "cat and mouse" game.
Kreddi Apr 29, 2013 @ 3:41am 
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The charracters that don't need to be pushed back on their jumping attacks imo, is Cezanne, Sewon, D1ck and frost renny.
I play pretty much everyone mostly Sewon, Dan Mei, frost renny and D1ck.

And yeah, while i do like zoning and zoning charracters i just think these attacks offers too much mobility and it turns into a dps race between the damage from jumping attacks and if the other guy can catch up.
Emonium Apr 29, 2013 @ 3:57am 
Well Sewon is probably the last guy who needs that kinda nerf
Kreddi Apr 29, 2013 @ 4:07am 
Imo i don't think it will harm him that much if it was changed from pushing him back to no movement, just falling down instead
CerberusZ Apr 29, 2013 @ 5:15am 
Originally posted by Kreddi:
Imo i don't think it will harm him that much if it was changed from pushing him back to no movement, just falling down instead

You'd be surprised. His attack range is like, that of a Renny's, except he has no dash, or anything at all really to catch up to an enemy. His JR is like, the only thing he has going for him in a damage sense, removing the push back would gimp him severely.

Though I do understand the gripe with ♥♥♥♥'s back-peddle shotty. ♥♥♥♥'s ridiculously hard to catch with most characters that don't have any form of ranged attack, and all the while ♥♥♥♥ just keeps pumping out shotty blasts at you while moving backwards without having his movement impeded, which I feel is something that should be looked in to.
Lunaroh Apr 29, 2013 @ 5:53am 
Originally posted by CerberusZ:
Though I do understand the gripe with ♥♥♥♥'s back-peddle shotty. ♥♥♥♥'s ridiculously hard to catch with most characters that don't have any form of ranged attack, and all the while ♥♥♥♥ just keeps pumping out shotty blasts at you while moving backwards without having his movement impeded, which I feel is something that should be looked in to.
I consider him the most annoying character in the game. Plain and boring gameplay + hard to counter. He does need a tweak but i'm not talking about nerfing him, just make him do something more interesting and a little less effective than just backpeddaling.
GAME IS too Difficult FOR ME Apr 29, 2013 @ 6:43am 
Originally posted by Lunaroh:
Originally posted by CerberusZ:
Though I do understand the gripe with ♥♥♥♥'s back-peddle shotty. ♥♥♥♥'s ridiculously hard to catch with most characters that don't have any form of ranged attack, and all the while ♥♥♥♥ just keeps pumping out shotty blasts at you while moving backwards without having his movement impeded, which I feel is something that should be looked in to.
I consider him the most annoying character in the game. Plain and boring gameplay + hard to counter. He does need a tweak but i'm not talking about nerfing him, just make him do something more interesting and a little less effective than just backpeddaling.

thats how every scrub i see that plays him.....all they do is jump shoot or just plain shoot all the time....and fly off when u get to close with his shift move.

against a good ♥♥♥♥ i can never catch him with Cezanne...i get kited to death in a 1v1 and it makes me rage
Tower of Silence Apr 29, 2013 @ 7:25am 
Ya D!ck is kind of a... yep and is annoying to fight 1v1 if all he does is run away and take potshots at you. I've ran down quite a fair share of them with Tiac's shield bash (and even then it's a putrid waste of everybody's time), but other champs are simply not as well equiped for this type of situation. Maybe he should have a (greater) speed penalty if he shoots while in the air or something, to make it less viable as a getaway strategy.
Kreddi Apr 29, 2013 @ 7:49am 
Originally posted by CerberusZ:
Originally posted by Kreddi:
Imo i don't think it will harm him that much if it was changed from pushing him back to no movement, just falling down instead

You'd be surprised. His attack range is like, that of a Renny's, except he has no dash, or anything at all really to catch up to an enemy. His JR is like, the only thing he has going for him in a damage sense, removing the push back would gimp him severely.

I don't think removing the pushback to himself would be that big of a nerf. Instead of him going slightly up and back he will just go back down abit faster. This means if you miss with it, its easier to punish, and if you hit you should be at the same advantage as you would be before before the change
CerberusZ Apr 29, 2013 @ 12:48pm 
Originally posted by mhd995:
Ya D!ck is kind of a... yep and is annoying to fight 1v1 if all he does is run away and take potshots at you. I've ran down quite a fair share of them with Tiac's shield bash (and even then it's a putrid waste of everybody's time), but other champs are simply not as well equiped for this type of situation. Maybe he should have a (greater) speed penalty if he shoots while in the air or something, to make it less viable as a getaway strategy.

I was thinking something along the lines of:
He must remain stationary while reloading (As in, must stay in place on the ground in order to reload)
Or double the reloading time (It's like 1 second right now I beleive), aswell as slowing down his jump speed.

The main problem of ♥♥♥♥ is just that he moves jumps backwards at the same speed a majority of characters basically move, which is a big problem for an AoE ranger.
Kreddi Apr 30, 2013 @ 1:34am 
Originally posted by CerberusZ:
Originally posted by mhd995:
Ya D!ck is kind of a... yep and is annoying to fight 1v1 if all he does is run away and take potshots at you. I've ran down quite a fair share of them with Tiac's shield bash (and even then it's a putrid waste of everybody's time), but other champs are simply not as well equiped for this type of situation. Maybe he should have a (greater) speed penalty if he shoots while in the air or something, to make it less viable as a getaway strategy.

I was thinking something along the lines of:
He must remain stationary while reloading (As in, must stay in place on the ground in order to reload)
Or double the reloading time (It's like 1 second right now I beleive), aswell as slowing down his jump speed.

The main problem of ♥♥♥♥ is just that he moves jumps backwards at the same speed a majority of characters basically move, which is a big problem for an AoE ranger.
Longer reload time and not being able to reload in the air sounds like a good idea to me. The only ♥♥♥♥ that really is a problems are the ones that reload while falling down from the JR shot. Forcing them to reload on the ground and increasing the duration would be a pretty good way of reducing the spam from him
Parsee Mizuhashi Apr 30, 2013 @ 2:09pm 
The only two I find this to a problem on are Gasper and D1ck, as Sewons lacks Range( most of the time) and Ice renny's is overly easy to dodge, an't fought as many cez's as I need to to really get a opnion on his through at the moment and before it was fine.
angvl May 7, 2013 @ 4:16pm 
Cezane ,Gasper,Sewon and D!ck have the most stupid and annoying jump attacks.I play Tiac and danmei mostly and when i face this characters i need to take my pills to calm down because the only thing they do is just jump back and hit.. so boring..
Emonium May 7, 2013 @ 5:34pm 
Originally posted by angvl:
Cezane ,Gasper,Sewon and D!ck have the most stupid and annoying jump attacks.I play Tiac and danmei mostly and when i face this characters i need to take my pills to calm down because the only thing they do is just jump back and hit.. so boring..
It's more fun when you're actually skilled enough to hold your own against all of them though. Give yourself some credit and keep learning from your repeated experiences like I do. I've no problem with any of those characters and their jump attacks.
Also, if you have to put Sewon (the weakest character in the game) in that list of 'stupid and annoying jump attacks', then it's clear that you're just not that good at the game atm and it's all a personal problem.. Oh god, the laughs.
angvl May 7, 2013 @ 8:17pm 
im pretty sure im "good enough" and also im prety sure im better than u. what u say is totally useless and crap and dont pretend that u r good to me or to anyone else here. What i say its a fact about all of this characters. i can play all of them and its boring to play like this. they should fix this stupid jump attacks cause its boring and replace them with other skills. so stfu im not here to tell me that u r good and i dont give a ♥♥♥♥ about your opinion. if u have stg to say about except from your "godlike skills" u noob.. then say it or stfu
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