Uberwatch 20 mar 2014 à 2h26
Phil Fish and Fez
I cannot understood why the people on twitter or the social media kept trolling Phil Fish. I didn't like the guy myself because of his attitude but he's getting trolled just because he hasn't finished Fez yet (in the doc)? What is this?

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The Happy Crappy Nappy 20 mar 2014 à 2h36 
A load of annoying little ♥♥♥♥♥♥ that have nothing better to do with their lives? Don't know why people take it seriously.
MontyB 20 mar 2014 à 2h56 
Yeah, they seem to think it's cool to hurl ♥♥♥♥ at devs because it's the internet. Some act like he is the spawn of satan. Seems to be a big problem in the gaming community. Just check the Steam forums to see how much abuse gamers give devs.
Also, the fact EA gets rated as the worst company in America (or the world? I forget which), shows how messed up the gaming community is.

I wasn't a fan of how he came across in the doc or his twitter account, but he never deserved all that abuse.
Dr.Chimp 20 mar 2014 à 5h00 
he was hated cause he had an enormous ego and was incredibly douchey to alot of people

this thread pretty much explains http://steamcommunity.com/app/224760/discussions/0/864978109797422068/#p1
ayy 20 mar 2014 à 14h52 
Dr.Chimp a écrit :
he was hated cause he had an enormous ego and was incredibly douchey to alot of people

this thread pretty much explains http://steamcommunity.com/app/224760/discussions/0/864978109797422068/#p1
how bout u picture this... you are a developper with no money, no partners, absolutely no drive at all to really finish this game but the fact that youve sunken 4 years into the development. your girlfriend has left you, you have nothing. you are expected to make a super in depth complex game all by yourself with no money and a horde of screaming, pushy people on the internet saying to finish it already. no wonder he exploded, i dont like phil that much either, but when u live in that kind of lifestyle, i can understand his frustration.
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Fork_Q2 20 mar 2014 à 14h59 
Dumbelydert a écrit :
Dr.Chimp a écrit :
he was hated cause he had an enormous ego and was incredibly douchey to alot of people

this thread pretty much explains http://steamcommunity.com/app/224760/discussions/0/864978109797422068/#p1
how bout u picture this... you are a developper with no money, no partners, absolutely no drive at all to really finish this game but the fact that youve sunken 4 years into the development. your girlfriend has left you, you have nothing. you are expected to make a super in depth complex game all by yourself with no money and a horde of screaming, pushy people on the internet saying to finish it already. no wonder he exploded, i dont like phil that much either, but when u live in that kind of lifestyle, i can understand his frustration.

The Canadian government doles out subsidies to indie games companies to develop games, money wasn't a big issue (how else was he able to spend so long on a game?).

Other indie game developers were under similar levels of stress, Jon Blow was also another easy target for trolls and griefers, the difference is that they managed keep their behaviour in check. Phil couldn't.
Talon 20 mar 2014 à 22h24 
Jon Blow was like some sort of zen monk lol
Tom 22 mar 2014 à 14h43 
But you can't deny he lost his mind and acted like a kid, just giving up his career because of the internet? Is this true anyways, maybe he wanted to stop the flame war and he's actually making the game.
Tobias Fünke 23 mar 2014 à 9h54 
Dumbelydert a écrit :
Dr.Chimp a écrit :
he was hated cause he had an enormous ego and was incredibly douchey to alot of people

this thread pretty much explains http://steamcommunity.com/app/224760/discussions/0/864978109797422068/#p1
how bout u picture this... you are a developper with no money, no partners, absolutely no drive at all to really finish this game but the fact that youve sunken 4 years into the development. your girlfriend has left you, you have nothing. you are expected to make a super in depth complex game all by yourself with no money and a horde of screaming, pushy people on the internet saying to finish it already. no wonder he exploded, i dont like phil that much either, but when u live in that kind of lifestyle, i can understand his frustration.

That's definately one side of it, but he does act without thought. A prime example is in the Special Edition when they have a conference with the stars of IGTM. Poor asian guy walks up to the mic and asks what he thinks of Japanese games and Phil outright says they suck. I can see both sides of it but man, Phil is an ♥♥♥.

Well, I mean I do also feel bad for him but he did kinda bring everything on himself
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sate 26 mar 2014 à 8h22 
yes Phil Fish sounded like a jerk from time to time

but that annoyed gamer dude?
spouting hate and ♥♥♥♥ just because someone don't answer his question?
I really don't see any reason to support what he does
apart from wanting to troll Fish or something similar
ayy 26 mar 2014 à 8h27 
ヲ級hshs a écrit :
yes Phil Fish sounded like a jerk from time to time

but that annoyed gamer dude?
spouting hate and ♥♥♥♥ just because someone don't answer his question?
I really don't see any reason to support what he does
apart from wanting to troll Fish or something similar
Markus Beer's attitude is pretty much super intolerable. if anything, we should be hating on him for going out of his way to trash both phil and john.
Fork_Q2 26 mar 2014 à 8h37 
Dumbelydert a écrit :
ヲ級hshs a écrit :
yes Phil Fish sounded like a jerk from time to time

but that annoyed gamer dude?
spouting hate and ♥♥♥♥ just because someone don't answer his question?
I really don't see any reason to support what he does
apart from wanting to troll Fish or something similar
Markus Beer's attitude is pretty much super intolerable. if anything, we should be hating on him for going out of his way to trash both phil and john.

Jon and Phil were happy to talk about indie games to almost anyone in the media, not their fault they are so sought after, Braid and Fez did win a boatload of awards and sold very well. The fact they refused to indulge Markus tells you more about Markus then "Blowfish".
🐧 Idanwin [SLUG] 30 mar 2014 à 13h21 
Phil Fish was/is (I hope he gets better at ignoring trolls so that the 'was' becomes true) ill-adapted to the violent and wild world that is the web. I completely understand his frustration, but he deals with it very badly IMO, it is not the trolls he is hurting but his loyal customers...
The trolls have achieved what they wanted: they've caused havoc, and they have gone and sought other people on the internet to pester now...
Master Zone 13 juin 2014 à 0h31 
Uberwatch a écrit :
I cannot understood why the people on twitter or the social media kept trolling Phil Fish. I didn't like the guy myself because of his attitude but he's getting trolled just because he hasn't finished Fez yet (in the doc)? What is this?

Watch the movie, fish even goes on about how we would kill himself if his game did not sell well... The guy is a nut job.
Master Zone 13 juin 2014 à 0h32 
Fork_Q a écrit :
Dumbelydert a écrit :
Markus Beer's attitude is pretty much super intolerable. if anything, we should be hating on him for going out of his way to trash both phil and john.

Jon and Phil were happy to talk about indie games to almost anyone in the media, not their fault they are so sought after, Braid and Fez did win a boatload of awards and sold very well. The fact they refused to indulge Markus tells you more about Markus then "Blowfish".

Fish did nt just refuse Markus questions, he was very rude about it.
sate 13 juin 2014 à 3h41 
Master Zone a écrit :
Fork_Q a écrit :

Jon and Phil were happy to talk about indie games to almost anyone in the media, not their fault they are so sought after, Braid and Fez did win a boatload of awards and sold very well. The fact they refused to indulge Markus tells you more about Markus then "Blowfish".

Fish did nt just refuse Markus questions, he was very rude about it.

I believe whatever it is Beer deserves it
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