Teaching Rythym

[mellorgreg]

My dreams for rocksmith 2014 is for it to penalise you for playing extra notes or strums . I love rocksmith , but for rythm guitar it kinda sucks , well for teaching rythym anyhow , cause it never penalizes you for playing extra stuff .
I love the chord versions of songs , and wish we had more of them , but if a song has repetitive chords u can just strum along at whatever speed and it never penalizes you , kinda sucks imo , as ive always heard to be a good lead guitarist , u first have to be be a good rythym guitarist

[Ace42]

If you don't get the timing right for three consecutive notes you don't get a "Groove bonus" and thus it impacts your score; so technically it does penalise you for not having the right rhythm already...

[mellorgreg]

i disagree sorry , i mean the game basically says , ok heres the note , play it as many times as u want in this section ( ie , the blue section) . There is no technique section on strumming patterns .
To use an example , rebel rebel in chords , ive turned my guitar down to 50 % but it sounds horrible when i play it , yet gives me a score over 100k and says ive mastered it ???? god i hope i havent

[Ace42]

That's to do with its note recognition on chords, which is a separate issue to spamming notes. Again - if you don't get recognised notes in-time, you won't get the "groove" bonuses. The groove bonuses are not essential for "mastering" a song, but are essential for getting the highest possible scores - particularly in mastery mode where you can easily get a paltry 100k score with even just 50% note accuracy.

[godgrinder]

Yeah I notice the same. When it comes to playing cords, rocksmith completely lacks the strumming pattern. I haven't played "rebel rebel" yet, but anther bowie song "the man who sold the world" and it have the same problem: you need to play cords pretty fast, but it doesn't tell you wether to play upstroke or downstoke or some aggepios, just grap the cord and strumm it somehow and you get a score way above 100k, even if it sounds like crap.

[mellorgreg]

i think ace 42 misunderstands my complaint , im not saying it doesnt reward u for having good rythym , but it doesnt seem to penalise u too much and it certainly doesnt teach it .
Im pretty sure rocksmith advertises itself as a guitar teacher , yet rythym is the basis of pretty much all guitar , so shouldnt rythym be a pretty big part of rocksmith? not just an extra reward

[Ace42]

Publicado originalmente por mellorgreg:

i think ace 42 misunderstands my complaint , im not saying it doesnt reward u for having good rythym , but it doesnt seem to penalise u too much and it certainly doesnt teach it .

The game practices negative marking - you start off with a potential maxium score for each song, and as you fail to achieve certain things (correct note, correct timing, correct techniques) you lose points. They might be called "Groove Bonuses" - but they are integral to the maximum score possible.

If you think the game is only about getting the 100k points needed to unlock song-mastery - then yes, you can comfortably disregard the points you get from achieving regular "Groove" bonuses, just like you can ignore entire sections of the song that you find hard just so long as your end score is over 100k. If you're trying to get the maximum score possible in a song - particularly in mastery-mode - you'll need to get your timing correct and consistent.

Setting yourself an arbitrarily easy goal and then going "the game doesn't punish me for not exceeding my goal!" is not necessarily the best way to look at it.

[mellorgreg]

I agree again , but i still disagree . I am talking about teaching rythym , not rewarding it . I love the game , but personally i think most of my ( limited thou it may be ) growth as a guitarist has come from outside rocksmith , and rocksmith is just something i do to enjoy outside of actually learning the guiatar .
Rythym is a major part for me , but to choose something else , lets choose scales or learning the notes on a fretboard . All my learning on what the notes are is done outside of rocksmith , rocksmith will teach u the shapes , but not the chords . Ie , when i first started i decided learn the major scale first , and started on a major , cause thats what it starts on . Then i read up a lil bit and now play in c major and name the notes more or less as i play them .
So again my basic complaint isnt with the game , but its lack of teaching , wich is what it claims it does best ( but doesnt)

[Ace42]

They could certainly teach strumming patterns, etc - but most of the songs are rocky and have arrangements organised around soloing rather than playing a more rhythm-guitar style, so it's understandable why it wasn't a priority.

[mellorgreg]

I do understand , truely , but its just something i would love to see more of in rs2014 . I understand everyone wants to be a lead guitarist , not a rythym guitarist , and its all about teaching to the masses , but ive also read like about 50 times over , from different sources , u can become a good lead guitarist without learning rythym guitar , but to be a great lead guitarist , u need to first be a good rythym guitarist . ( please feel free to correct me , but just what ive read from lots of different sources)
I understand my playing of rebel rebel sounds like crap even thou ive supposedly mastered it etc , hence my question in the first place , i dont want to have mastered a song to have it sound like crap , i wanna learn it to make it sound good , but it seems i will have to go outside rocksmith to learn this , wich is what my original complaint ( or request really) is about

[Fly]

Actually, I like that it is not penalised. Well, for me it is not really hard to keep the rythm, and I like to jam a little along the song. If I play the same song the same way over and over again I get bored, and it is part of being a musician to jam whenever you want. If I get penalised for hitting more notes than I actually should hit, then I can not jam.

Furthermore, remember that boring thing when you are playing a low level song, you actually know that song, and play some correct notes that do not appear yet. You would get penalised for hitting that correct note!! o.O