lecky333 Mar 17, 2013 @ 10:03pm
I hate Steam
Anyone Else love Crusader Kings 2 but hate steam? I didn't realize that buying CK2 on paradoxinteractive meant I got the game through steam. I never would have bought it if I knew. I hate steam. Steam starts up each time I wanna play and it runs the whole time. I hate steam. There is zero ZERO benefit to me, only detriment, in being forced to use steam. I am mad at paradox. I hate steam.
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+ULFBERH+T Mar 17, 2013 @ 11:21pm 
What makes you hate steam? And Paradox?
bristoljd Mar 17, 2013 @ 11:28pm 
I don't understant the hate for steam. It does nothing harmful or malicious and backs up all your games for redownload for all time whether you lose the discs or not.
eXistenZ Mar 18, 2013 @ 1:40am 
I bet he hates because it shows how many hours of non-life he has
sounds like a wooosh Mar 18, 2013 @ 2:08am 
Well, you can hate Steam – or love it – it doesn't matter – CK2 is one of the few games that is playable without starting the Steam-Client or overlay.

I don't feel like I want to feed a troll… so I stop here to give my own thoughts about pro and con Steam. Just let your eyes open, look around - and enjoy!
Dirty Hexer Mar 18, 2013 @ 8:24am 
Totally non constructive. Are you Origin agent or something?
Euro Combat Mar 18, 2013 @ 8:33pm 
Originally posted by lecky333:
Steam starts up each time I wanna play and it runs the whole time.

Then just run the game by itself instead of running it through Steam.
timed Mar 18, 2013 @ 9:18pm 
There, there, no need to be mad.
Valeriaan Mar 19, 2013 @ 4:19am 
This is is purely a matter of personal preference. If you look at Steam solely as a means of enforcing DRM, then of course you won't like it.

Try looking at it from another perspective, though. Steam is so much more than that. It's a game store, offers a digital game library (no need for disks), a community, has a chat program, ... It has multiple conveniences to offer.

That doesn't mean you have to like it. It does mean, however, that there's more to it than just the negative aspects that you choose to focus on.

Steam is quite possibly one of the least invasive and draconic DRM-measures, by the way. I've played a variety of retail games over the years with absolutely atrocious DRM, the most annoying probably being games which require you to be online all the time or with a limited number of installs.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to persuade you to the dark side (even though we do have cookies). I used to be of the same principle as you, until I discovered what else it had to offer. In the end, life is too short (and leasure time too precious) to focus only on the negative aspects of something.

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MAvL Mar 19, 2013 @ 4:57am 
Well, one thing witch makes me hate Steam is DLC. And for that, CK II is a typical Steam game. You buy the game for 40 or 20 $ (€ for me), but you don't have all the game§ let's pay 5$ for playing pagans, 5 other for muslims, soon five for mongols or aztecs, 2$ for each 3 musics... May I notice that in the excellent game Medieval II Total war, in wich you initialy had a choice of 6 nations, deblocking all the other nations was only a FREE mod (stainless steel, a great one).

Anyway, CK II is one of the best game ever, even without DLC
And provided you don't matter paying on the net (unlike me), and you know you'll have to buy your games piece after piece, Steam isn't so annoying.
Nef Mar 19, 2013 @ 6:18am 
One thing regarding DLC: even people who do not buy it are getting substantial free updates in their game. All the new mechanics and everything that is added by DLC is actually added in a patch, the DLC only lets you play other characters. The DLC in other words is helping support post-release support, which for a small-medium size company like Paradox is probably very significant.

Also, when you buy the base game, you are buying what it says on the title: a game about Kings who go on Crusades. Nobody is forcing you to buy DLC if you don't want it. Personally I like (and bought) about 80% of what they've released.
sounds like a wooosh Mar 19, 2013 @ 3:57pm 
@MAvL,
CKII has DLC – but it's a Paradox decision – not a Steam-decision to have it. If you buy the game elsewhere you have the same "problem".

Instead I found some other Steam games that are sold only with some bonus DLC or updates that actually enhance the content of the base game next to the bugfixes.

I personally am undecided about DLC. I think sometimes it makes even sense – and sometimes it looks like a trap. Right. – However it differs from case to case. – But I can't find DLC to be a Steam thing…
Claes Mar 19, 2013 @ 10:46pm 
Originally posted by lecky333:
Anyone Else love Crusader Kings 2 but hate steam? I didn't realize that buying CK2 on paradoxinteractive meant I got the game through steam. I never would have bought it if I knew. I hate steam. Steam starts up each time I wanna play and it runs the whole time. I hate steam. There is zero ZERO benefit to me, only detriment, in being forced to use steam. I am mad at paradox. I hate steam.
Why are you posting this in a Steam discussion instead of Paradox forums? You are only helping Steam by using their forums instead of Paradox's.

Personally I love Steam. I have all of my games in one place, and with a game save manager (or Steam cloud) I no longer have to worry about the business of porting saves to a new computer. I have made friends on Steam and have discovered tons of sales. It has made my life immeasurably easier.

Interesting you feel that way, but to each his or her own ;)
codypyroorr Mar 20, 2013 @ 1:10pm 
Paradox's forums would ban you for trolling. I posted a similar hatred and almost got banned but not quite. Steam seems less lenient and since he spent several minutes logging into it he might as well vent here. Personally I hate Steam and am extremely angry at Paradox. That being said their patches do add a lot to the game but I like to be able to CHOOSE when I can update. That's my main problem with Steam other than the 3 minute start up time on my Satellite Internet(best I can get.) Oh well, not like I can do anything other than abandon my lifestyle and.... oh wait KICKSTARTER! YAY!
Claes Mar 20, 2013 @ 1:49pm 
Originally posted by codypyroorr:
That being said their patches do add a lot to the game but I like to be able to CHOOSE when I can update.

Simple enough. Right click on the game in your library, click on properties, click on Updates tab, and then select 'Do not update this game automatically'.

Done and done.
Claes Mar 20, 2013 @ 1:52pm 
At least with Paradox, you are able to register the serials so Paradox has a record that you own the game. That way if anything happens to Steam (which I sincerely doubt) I am sure that Paradox will allow DRM-free downloads to registered owners.
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