Claes Mar 15, 2013 @ 7:46pm
How do I get more income from a province my son controls?
My son controls a province, and like the idiot he is, it only makes ~3g in income (keep in mind I am Norway - my directly controlled provinces are making 15-30g per. How do I affect the amount of gold I earn from his province? Should I yank the title from his dumbass and assume control myself, perhaps giving him a task more suited to his abilities like mucking stables? Any ideas?
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HerrPanzerCardinal Mar 16, 2013 @ 2:37am 
since he is the feudal lord of the province he only owes you the tax rate that nobles pay in your realm (max 30% iirc). I would bet your feudal tax is probably 10%. If the province makes 30 in taxes a year, it's lord only owes the feudal tax rate to his overlord (you in this case), 10% of 30=3.

Note however that taxes only go up 1 link in the feudal chain. A Baron, Mayor, Bishop only owe to the count of their province, counts to dukes if their vassal, etc. So if you give a county with 6 cities to your son, he collects the taxes from the cities at their rate of tax + the entirety of the tax from his holding (county capital). If your son is your direct vassal, he only owes you a percentage of the tax from his personal holding (county capital), he keeps all the money he collects from his immediate vassals (baronies, cities, bishoprics).

If you have a particularly rich provinces, one with many cities, it is always better to hang on to control yourself. Even with a sprawling Byzantine Empire with all taxes set to max, I am still making more money off my core of personal demesne than from dozens of rich feudal vassals.
HerrPanzerCardinal Mar 16, 2013 @ 3:06am 
PS. When you give a title to someone, you transfer the lordship of any holdings oweing fealty to the titleholder as well. So if you control a county you get the full tax from your personal holding + tax from any baronies, cities, bishoprics inside that county. If you transfer the county to someone he takes lordship over the lesser holdings and only owes you taxes from his personal holding (county capital). Let's say you hold a duchy comprising 3 counties, each one ruled by a different count. Each count owes you the % of feudal tax he makes off his personal holding (county capital), not those under him (cities etc). Now if you grant the duchy to someone, those 3 counts now owe tax to the duke, and the duke only owes you the feudal tax % from his personal holdings if he has any, nothing the counts pay to him, nor anything the mayors etc pay to the counts. So to maximise the paltry sum you can make off feudal tax, you want as many direct vassals as possible or to ensure the direct vassals you do have have large personal demesnes themselves.

Also note that when you take a county in a holy war, you take personal control not only of the county capital but also of the cities, baronies, bishoprics etc. This will cause "wrong holding type penalty" so you definitely want to get rid of personal control of those. However, if you appoint new mayors/bishops and then transfer the county to someone, they gain lordship over the new mayors/bishops. If instead you keep personal control of the cities/bishoprics, give the county to someone, and THEN appoint new mayors and bishops, the count will owe you tax as a direct vassal from his personal holding and the cities and bishoprics are still your direct vassals so they owe you taxes as well. Now the count will be greatly peeved off and will have a -25 relation for each holding you retain that he should have sovereignty over. But if you can keep him happy enough, you can have a vast list of direct vassals especially tasty cities and bishoprics which pay more tax.
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