Crusader Kings II

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Strategyking May 3, 2014 @ 11:31am
Norse playthrough from William the Conqueror Start?
Anybody have any luck playing as a Norse country at the William the Conqueror start date? Forming a norse Sweden during this start has been one of the things I have been wanting to do for a while, but each attempt has ended in horrible, embarassing failure.... Anybody have any tips?

What I am currently thinking of doing is raiding and building up my infrastructure, then hopefully Norway and Sweden end up making a few mistakes and then get extremely weakened. If I expand into pagan Finland, Norway ends up DOWing me, so I think the best thing is to just turtle up for now.

Sorry about my English, I am Southern.
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Evil Crusader May 3, 2014 @ 11:48am 
Build up a strong powerbase, sweat fealty, eat up a Kingdom from the inside - precipitate factions till you can start one to become yourself the King. That's by far the easiest way ever - it worked for both Karen and Semien (i.e. Jewish and Zoroastrian), I can't see why that can't work for you. :)
Dastor May 3, 2014 @ 11:53am 
Hello guys i need help and nobody help me... i just bought CK II tha basic packet of 40euros and i cant play when is finished the downloadi and press to start nothing happens and it doesnt start i reinstall the game twice and nothing. what i can do and why it doenst start.
ShadoWwolF May 3, 2014 @ 12:48pm 
one of sweden's more powerful dukes happens to be norse and is also a claimant to the throne, he used to almost always revolt and try to take the throne of sweden almost immediately after starting the game. he controls a large part of the kingdom so he actually wins sometimes. ive seen him become king before and try to rule as a norse sweden but its usually short lived for the AI. Duke Erik the Heathen of upland. just play as him and overthrow the king like the AI usually tries to do
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Strategyking May 4, 2014 @ 11:06pm 
Just an update. I finally got a playthrough that seems to be working out. I kept raiding and building up my infrastructure, and then I did a prepared invasion against Norway. Even though he was battling rebels, and at the start, Sweden and Denmark over one county, it was still really touch and go for a while. After that, I had two wars of independance. I crushed one, turned the others that weren't in mainland Scandinavia loose, and now I'm just trying to survive. Currently in the second Swedish Holy War for Ostandlet(?)

It's still touch and go.
Evil Crusader May 5, 2014 @ 1:47am 
Dance like a moth, fight like a lion and you might manage to prevail in the end.
Good luck, you deserve it!
Jormundgand May 5, 2014 @ 4:11am 
If starting norse is important, follow Evil Crusader's advice; if not, try to get your heir converted -- you can do so by letting someone educate him and a bit of luck. If you can't get a norse to join your court, try some other pagan religion first -- you should then have a higher chance to get a norse character to join your court (such as through marriage).

The 1066 start is still going to be tough; the catholic are pretty strong and will have crusades pretty much from the start and you are at risk because of it. Expand in the north first -- go east afterwards. You must grow to a size where the catholics are not a real threat or they will prolly kill you off at some point.

Don't reform just because you can -- if you have reformed, you will take attrition from the pagan lands in asia which are your prime targets for expansions after scandinavia (easy land to grab, won't upset the powerful catholics).
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Strategyking May 5, 2014 @ 5:08am 
I did try taking over finland in my earlier attempts. However, it never works out because Norway and Sweden then register you as a threat and both declare Holy Wars, usually simultaneously or working together. If this playthrough fails, however, I will give it another shot. I would probably have better odds now that I know how to effectively utilize the pagan homeland penalty and raiding.

The only problem with being against reforming is that Finland is a wasteland... Not worth expanding into, especially when you consider the inevitable revolts which would be annoying to put down due to the traveling speed of those lands. I had the same sort of problems in my Khazer playthrough when I took over Siberia and Northern Russia. This means that I will eventually have to reform, because I don't think I am going to last very long against the HRE or a crusade with only 5k max retinues and mercs due to only having 3 Norse provinces.

Although... The only reason I am surviving is because the AI put 20k troops on one of those Norse provinces. It didn't work out too well for them.

Eh, I don't know what my next move is after this 50 year holy war. Maybe I will take over Finland after all.
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Jormundgand May 5, 2014 @ 5:11am 
I'd prolly go for norway before finland; then maybe denmark -- that way, you can reform when you want to. Finland is going to be annoying to grab, as you mentioned, but you prolly should do so before reforming (at least). Russia is OK to drop; by the time you have norway, denmark and finland you should be powerfull enough that the attrition is not going to be a problem. Invest in military organisation as much as you can to make sure your retinue is as big as possible.

Try getting some allies if you can. Build up a lot of cash to hire (and keep) mercs. Investing in walls and towns is not a bad idea if you can keep your enemies away with the troops you have. It will pay off in the long run and can mean the difference between having the northsea empire or being a province in the catholic empire.

The point about finland (and asia) is that it's a fairly easy way to get holdings which translate to increased retinue -- get a bunch of vassals to deal with revolts and help them along once in a while if they decide to be horrible at it. Once you reform, they will convert the counties rather quickly too.
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Strategyking May 10, 2014 @ 9:28pm 
Just a follow up and final update.

After the danish holy wars against me died down, I did end up taking Finland, and whatever Norwegian holdouts which were preventing me from forming Norway.

After that, I took over Uppland and Sjeland(?) in two seperate county claims. I am still rather afraid to declare an outright holy war, because I DO NOT want to tempt the HRE any more than I need to.

I then raided a bunch of temples, and built some of my own until I had 50% religious authority, and then I converted.

After this, since I am apparently the head of the Norse religion (which is pretty convenient) I declared a Great Holy War against Ruthenia and took their Kingdom of Russia from them.

Since then things have been pretty status quo on my end. I tried to take even more land from them, my the Byzantines dropped a 30k doomstack on my troops, so I don't think I'm going to expand any more eastward, save for the few minor nations which still border me.

In terms of the game world right now:♥♥♥♥♥♥is going crazy. Aztecs invaded England and France. Golden Horde converted to Orthodoxy. The Ruler of Ruthenia converted to Paullican and is basically Joan of Arc. The Kingdom of England is now mainly based in Israel, due to successful crusades. And basically Norse Norway (me) and the weakened Aztecs are in an alliance for life through 3 marriages.

Anyway, thanks again for all of your input. This might just be my proudest ironman game ever. It'll be crazy seeing this in EUIV.
Doomcheese May 11, 2014 @ 1:25am 
Nice. Going norse sounds like a fun way to do the survivor achievement from 1066.
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Jormundgand May 11, 2014 @ 9:26am 
Sjeland = Sjælland. Zeelandia is the latin name (just use that -- nobody except a few danes will notice; then again, most danes don't know the latin name).

In my norse 867 game I took Italy in the holy first war. My swedish king vassal decide to take Braunsweich which messed up my strategy of reducing the catholic holdings as much as possible before triggering holy wars. The pope declared crusade on my german holdings which ended less than a year later, with me having sieged Rome and smashing the HRE.

Originally posted by Doomcheese:
Nice. Going norse sounds like a fun way to do the survivor achievement from 1066.
Norse is a lot of fun. Be carefull though; the latest patch seems to make norse AIs a lot more stabby -- as in stabbing you in the back. Make it a lot harder to survive the initial game.
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