andrewdore Feb 16, 2014 @ 4:03pm
OMFG
So, Ironman of course. Went from the very beginning in 800 or whatever. Year 1401, I convert to Orthodox just to mix it up. Create some E.Patriarch title. Boom, game over. Not allowed to play that title as a merchant republic, so that's all she wrote. Seriously, I can't believe it. Really appreciate that warning Paradox. &*^%
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ShadoWwolF Feb 16, 2014 @ 4:39pm 
that "E.Patriarch" title is the Ecumenical Patriarch. the orthodox religious head. which is equal to the pope and a theocracy. which is unplayable. hes normally a vassal of the byzantine empire unless you destroyed them
Steve Saint James Feb 16, 2014 @ 5:05pm 
That sucks. Paradox really shouldn't allow players to create titles that are instant game overs.
ShadoWwolF Feb 16, 2014 @ 5:07pm 
Originally posted by SlowedMussel735:
That sucks. Paradox really shouldn't allow players to create titles that are instant game overs.

i dont think you're even supposed to be able to create this title. last time i checked it was one of those thats supposed to always exist like the pope
Steve Saint James Feb 16, 2014 @ 5:10pm 
Originally posted by ShadoWwolF:
Originally posted by SlowedMussel735:
That sucks. Paradox really shouldn't allow players to create titles that are instant game overs.

i dont think you're even supposed to be able to create this title. last time i checked it was one of those thats supposed to always exist like the pope

My bad then. I'm curious though as to how the OP was able to create it then.
ShadoWwolF Feb 16, 2014 @ 5:14pm 
Originally posted by SlowedMussel735:
Originally posted by ShadoWwolF:

i dont think you're even supposed to be able to create this title. last time i checked it was one of those thats supposed to always exist like the pope

My bad then. I'm curious though as to how the OP was able to create it then.

me too but it was probably a bug. ive seen bugs like this before. luckily theres only a handful of titles including this one and the catholic pope that would cause this game over so it normally shouldnt be a problem. im guessing the OP hadnt played in the 1066 start date much or as a christian character very much or he wouldve recognized the title before creating it
andrewdore Feb 16, 2014 @ 6:30pm 
Well, I was achievement hunting. I was going around getting key locations (Rome, Constantinople, Antioch, etc.). I was Venice with loads of cash (50k+), so I declared independence, aligned myself with Hungary who were Orthodox, converted, got my Patriarch achievment, then saw a title creation notification pop up. As I have never played as Orthodox before, it didn't resonate with me, so I created the Ecumenical Patriarch title, and boom, game over screen. I was essentially just killing time to run out the last 50 years, having already chased out the Aztecs and pretty much being able to win any war waged. If it is a glitch, it was a really terrible time to get it. Sigh.
Thanos Feb 16, 2014 @ 7:27pm 
Originally posted by ShadoWwolF:
that "E.Patriarch" title is the Ecumenical Patriarch. the orthodox religious head. which is equal to the pope and a theocracy. which is unplayable.
Which is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ excuse if you ask me. If "you can't play as a theocracy" why can we play as the Sunni and Shia Caliphs? Play as one of them a few times and tell me you don't feel like the Pope of the muslim world.

It is especially odd because they made playing as the Sunni Caliph part of an Achievement. So clearly they know it is possible.
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ShadoWwolF Feb 16, 2014 @ 7:32pm 
Originally posted by Magnificent ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:
Originally posted by ShadoWwolF:
that "E.Patriarch" title is the Ecumenical Patriarch. the orthodox religious head. which is equal to the pope and a theocracy. which is unplayable.
Which is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ excuse if you ask me. If "you can't play as a theocracy" is the excuse why can we play as the Sunni and Shia Caliphs? Play as one of them a few times and tell me you don't feel like the Pope of the muslim world.

It is especially odd because they made playing as the Sunni Caliph part of an Achievement. So clearly they know it is possible.

the muslim caliphates work differently from the christian heads. they're playable because fundementally they work as secular realms and not like the theocracies of the christian religious titles. mechanically they can work because of the dynastic succession while the religious christian titles dont have dynastic succession. you would play as one ruler then game over when a different dynasty inherits. it doesnt work because of the game mechanics. and those are just the surface reasons.
Thanos Feb 16, 2014 @ 7:56pm 
Originally posted by ShadoWwolF:
the muslim caliphates work differently from the christian heads. they're playable because fundementally they work as secular realms and not like the theocracies of the christian religious titles. mechanically they can work because of the dynastic succession while the religious christian titles dont have dynastic succession. you would play as one ruler then game over when a different dynasty inherits. it doesnt work because of the game mechanics. and those are just the surface reasons.
I understand they work differently. Obviously the Pope is elected and the Caliph is inherited but these issues could be easily resolved with a bit of tweeking. Using the OP's situation as an example why couldn't they have made it so you can create the title but not pass it on to your children? Or maybe attempting to create the title raises an issue and the followers of that religion consider it heretical. Either of those options would be far more interesting than Game Over.

But they keep pumping out DLC for CK2 so maybe this issue will be resolved in the future.
ShadoWwolF Feb 16, 2014 @ 8:43pm 
Originally posted by Magnificent ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:
Originally posted by ShadoWwolF:
the muslim caliphates work differently from the christian heads. they're playable because fundementally they work as secular realms and not like the theocracies of the christian religious titles. mechanically they can work because of the dynastic succession while the religious christian titles dont have dynastic succession. you would play as one ruler then game over when a different dynasty inherits. it doesnt work because of the game mechanics. and those are just the surface reasons.
I understand they work differently. Obviously the Pope is elected and the Caliph is inherited but these issues could be easily resolved with a bit of tweeking. Using the OP's situation as an example why couldn't they have made it so you can create the title but not pass it on to your children? Or maybe attempting to create the title raises an issue and the followers of that religion consider it heretical. Either of those options would be far more interesting than Game Over.

But they keep pumping out DLC for CK2 so maybe this issue will be resolved in the future.

they've said the pope will never be playable. as for situation in this thread its not supposed to happen anyway because the title is supposed to always exist just like the catholic pope. in fact if this had happened to the catholic pope instead it wouldve screwed up quite a few of the global events like the mongol hordes. the titles are meant to always be held by someone and not ever be destroyed or created. theres still bugs that allow things like this to happen and its unfortunate but there will always be bugs and the pope and orthodox religious head will never be intended to be playable
Thanos Feb 16, 2014 @ 9:18pm 
Originally posted by ShadoWwolF:
... and the pope and orthodox religious head will never be intended to be playable
Why not? I know they've said they don't want to, but why? What's the problem with it really? We can already create anti-popes. So why not have your nutty heretical king claim himself Pope? If the concern is realism I think we can throw that out the window due to Sunset Invasion.

I'd just like to see all the mechanics of the game accessable to the player. There's a lot of content potential to be had. I see no reason why Paradox would make an arbitary choice like that.
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Highly Heretical Feb 16, 2014 @ 10:31pm 
Originally posted by Magnificent ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:
Originally posted by ShadoWwolF:
... and the pope and orthodox religious head will never be intended to be playable
Why not? I know they've said they don't want to, but why? What's the problem with it really? We can already create anti-popes. So why not have your nutty heretical king claim himself Pope? If the concern is realism I think we can throw that out the window due to Sunset Invasion.

I'd just like to see all the mechanics of the game accessable to the player. There's a lot of content potential to be had. I see no reason why Paradox would make an arbitary choice like that.
Because the Pope is the event guy, the one title that should always exist, and thus has most of the game's events built into it. For instance, as ShadoW said, the Hordes events trigger on the Pope.
Also, playing as the pope you'd get a vast ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of events every day, as the entirety of the catholic church asks you to personally deal with practically everything. Not to mention papal investiture of various titles and the like. The game would be unplayably slow.
Jake The Snake 1281 Feb 17, 2014 @ 7:13am 
Weird, my Charicter was the head of the Reformed Norse religion and was playable, giving me the chance to give it up
ShadoWwolF Feb 17, 2014 @ 8:55am 
Originally posted by Jake The Snake 1281:
Weird, my Charicter was the head of the Reformed Norse religion and was playable, giving me the chance to give it up

they're intended to be playable. again they arent the pope.
WillScy09 Feb 17, 2014 @ 2:46pm 
The reason they wont make the pope playable is because of the enormous pile of events that come in every single day from every catholic vassal. They would have to majorly overhaul the way the game works to make the pope a playable experience.
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