kkoopman3 Feb 12 @ 8:16am
I REALLY need help with this decision.
I am the King of Khiva (I'm Zoroastrian), and also possess all of the lands in Cumania and Turkestan. Currently, I have Gavelkind succession, but, as you probably know, that will cause some serious issues. Now I can change succession laws but I don't have high enough crown authority for Primogeniture. My options are Seniority or Ultimogeniture. Which should I choose?
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Unwerth Feb 12 @ 8:21am 
I'm new to the game, but it occurs to me that this depends on your familial circumstances. If you have many old dynasty members, seniority might lead to frequent changes, which to me doesn't seem too good. And a very young kid means that you'd have a relationship hit until they grow up, I think. The latter does seem better in general, because it'll probably lead to longer, more stable reigns.
eXistenZ Feb 12 @ 8:30am 
Elective, if your vassals like you and you have a decent potential heir.

Seniority and ultimogeniture (or primo) are both quite awfull. In both cases you have no control about who gets on the throne. Seniority will give you a lot of short rules, ultimogeniture will probably give you lots of pretender wars. Especially if the heir is underage
UltimateHobo Feb 12 @ 8:30am 
consider elective - if you destroy all satrapies then only you can vote or if your vassals like you then you can rely on them to vote with you. Seniority seems stupid to me but then ive never used it, it just seems like a 60 year old would always inherit and then die leading to constant problems. Ultimogeniture can be good but try to kill/divorce/make sure your wife is over 45 because otherwise an inbred 0 year old could inherit though the risk isnt that high.
kkoopman3 Feb 12 @ 8:38am 
K. I'll do Elective. I just thought that later on, when people have duchies, this might cause me problems. I could always change it later, I suppose. Thanks guys!
UltimateHobo Feb 12 @ 8:52am 
its a bit exploititive but if you destroy all the duchies then only you can vote. Youll have -50 relations with everyone in the de-jure area for 5(?) years but after that your set. Also make sure that nobody owns 50% on the duchy or theyll just make it ruining all your hard work.
kkoopman3 Feb 12 @ 9:10am 
That's the problem. I don't OWN all of the duchies. I'd have to revoke them first. I don't even know how the three Satraps got the duchies (except my brother, he obtained when my last ruler died).
UltimateHobo Feb 12 @ 9:19am 
the counts probably made them, its a really annoying tendancy they have. Just try to annoy them, dont transefer a vassal they want, ignore their requests and just generally be a ♥♥♥♥ to them in the hopes they rebel so you can crush them and steal the title. One easy way to do this is raise just their levy for a few years.
SlowedMussel735 Feb 12 @ 9:42am 
You don't really need to destroy all the duchie titles. If they like you, then they will vote the same as you. That and no dukes means you'll have very little tech outside your capital.
Shushumeira Feb 12 @ 9:48am 
Originally posted by eXistenZ:
Elective, if your vassals like you and you have a decent potential heir.

Seniority and ultimogeniture (or primo) are both quite awfull. In both cases you have no control about who gets on the throne. Seniority will give you a lot of short rules, ultimogeniture will probably give you lots of pretender wars. Especially if the heir is underage

+1
kkoopman3 Feb 12 @ 9:49am 
I know. It just would be nice to have complete control over my succession.
Finnway Feb 12 @ 12:55pm 
Originally posted by kkoopman3:
That's the problem. I don't OWN all of the duchies. I'd have to revoke them first. I don't even know how the three Satraps got the duchies (except my brother, he obtained when my last ruler died).
Try fabricating a claim on a duchy or starting a plot to revoke it. If you asassinate the current ruler and a child inherits their courtiers will be more likely to support a plot.



On simple trick with Elective Monarchy is to give one duchy away to your heir and keep one for yourself. This way your heir will always get two votes thus ensuring the succession is safe. When you die, you will own both duchies again so you can repeat the trick with your next heir.

In the case of a tie, the current monarch's vote determines the winner. So you can give a 3rd and 4th duchy away to vassals and the sucession will still be safe as long as you and your heir both vote for him.
Basically, Elective Succesion works well in small Kingdoms and as long as there is no more than 4 duchies at a time.

A character can hold two duchies at a time without incurring negative opinion penalties. I'm unsure if holding multiple duchies gives you multiple votes. If it does you could give 4 duchies away to vassals and still have a safe sucession as long as you and your heir each own 2.
kkoopman3 Feb 12 @ 1:58pm 
Originally posted by Finnway:
Originally posted by kkoopman3:
That's the problem. I don't OWN all of the duchies. I'd have to revoke them first. I don't even know how the three Satraps got the duchies (except my brother, he obtained when my last ruler died).
Try fabricating a claim on a duchy or starting a plot to revoke it. If you asassinate the current ruler and a child inherits their courtiers will be more likely to support a plot.



On simple trick with Elective Monarchy is to give one duchy away to your heir and keep one for yourself. This way your heir will always get two votes thus ensuring the succession is safe. When you die, you will own both duchies again so you can repeat the trick with your next heir.

In the case of a tie, the current monarch's vote determines the winner. So you can give a 3rd and 4th duchy away to vassals and the sucession will still be safe as long as you and your heir both vote for him.
Basically, Elective Succesion works well in small Kingdoms and as long as there is no more than 4 duchies at a time.

A character can hold two duchies at a time without incurring negative opinion penalties. I'm unsure if holding multiple duchies gives you multiple votes. If it does you could give 4 duchies away to vassals and still have a safe sucession as long as you and your heir each own 2.
This is the way it is currently. I did end up switching to elective, as me and my heir both own a duchy, with two other dukes in the realm.
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