Forging a claim taking forever

[Rhudda]

I extend my greetings to you, fellow rulers of counties, duchies, kingdoms and empires, and approach you with a question. But first an explanation:

I've started a game as Bleddyn ap Cynfyn, Petty King of Gwynedd (i.e. the big one in Wales) and immediately set my chancellor to forge a claim on Dyfed (the south-western county). About 20 years later Bleddyn died and his son took over, and another 10 years later the chancellor died too, never having managed to forge this claim. So far, his successor hasn't managed it either.

Now, it's come to my attention that chancellors need a certain skill to forge a claim on a duchy, and Dyfed happens to be the capital of the petty kingdom of Deheubarth - and its only county. I don't know how high my chancellors' skills were/are as I'm at work right now and can't check, but I wanted to ask if this is the root of my problem: that I can't forge a claim on a county that is either the capital of a duchy or the only county the duke holds because my chancellors are blithering imbeciles.

[theren]

a high skilled chancellor can speed things up a lot i think. there is a yearly chance for it to happen, an average how high the chances are that it happens within one year i think, and the higher skilled your chancellor, the higher the chances.

Your other chance would be to invite people with a claim to your court and ddeclare war for their right on the throne.

[Rhudda]

So probably just bad luck, then? The yearly chance was about 16 %, I think, and I thought that after 30+ years it was statistically unlikely to not have happened at some point.

Messaggio originale di theren:

Your other chance would be to invite people with a claim to your court and ddeclare war for their right on the throne.

Bleddyn actually starts out with two relatives with a claim on Deheubarth, but when I pressed the claim in a previous game the relative took over the title and wasn't my vassal, probably due to both his and my title being of equal rank.

[theren]

oh, yes. i think they must be your vassals , then they stay your vassals. maybe they stay with you if ou give them a barony?

[Rhudda]

Space is a bit tight in Wales, sadly. I don't have any spare baronies. :( Baronies are castles, right? I can't give them a city or something, can I?

When I said relative I didn't mean part oft he dynasty, by the way, just relatively close relatives. Cousins, maybe. Does that make a difference?

[theren]

castels, cities, churches. as long as "your vassal" is in the description of tthe character when you hover your mouse over the picture :D

[Rhudda]

Well, I'll try that then. Thanks!

[Segovax]

You can hover the pointer over the chancellor or check the council tab to see the yearly % chance of forging a claim; higher chance comes with higher skill. You probably won't see anything come quickly with a skill under 15, and even under 20 can be tedious to wait on.

You can forge a claim on a county whether or not they are related or a vassal.

If you press a claim they won't become your vassal unless it's a lesser rank and they are in the same dynasty or they are a de jure vassal and a lesser rank.

[theren]

ive been pretty sure its been alwqs working like that for me?

[Segovax]

You can't be a count and have a count for a vassal. If that is your vassal already then you're a duke or something and they should stay your vassal, unless you're pressing a ducal claim or something for them, in which case they become autonomous.

If the person isn't a landed vassal then I don't think that counts.

[theren]

ah, yes that could be it. i think i ve been a duke, but with only one county..

[Rhudda]

Okay, then I'll have to be patient and/or get a better chancellor.

[aaronmv]

From what I recall, your Chancellor needs to have at least a skill of 13 to even be able to forge a claim on a county. In order to forge a claim on a duchy/petty kingdom, your Chancellor must have at least a skill of 15, of course more is better but I have noticed that there's practically no benefit of the Chancellor having a score better than 20 (past that the percentage chance does not seem to increase).

What the others are suggesting won't work because if you press the claim on the Petty Kingdom, your dynasty members will be independent rulers themselves. However, if they had a claim on the county of Dyfed, they'd just be a count and they would still be your vassal as long as they're from your dynasty.

[Valentine Michael Smith]

If you haven't yet try marrying your heir to one of the kids in the county you want. Assassinate the others until their kid is the heir and in two generations that county will be yours. You might take a prestige hit for marrying a count as a duke but an extra county is usually worth it.

[Rhudda]

Messaggio originale di aaronmv:

From what I recall, your Chancellor needs to have at least a skill of 13 to even be able to forge a claim on a county. In order to forge a claim on a duchy/petty kingdom, your Chancellor must have at least a skill of 15, of course more is better but I have noticed that there's practically no benefit of the Chancellor having a score better than 20 (past that the percentage chance does not seem to increase).

What the others are suggesting won't work because if you press the claim on the Petty Kingdom, your dynasty members will be independent rulers themselves. However, if they had a claim on the county of Dyfed, they'd just be a count and they would still be your vassal as long as they're from your dynasty.

Thanks for clearing up the numbers.

Yeah, sadly it's a claim on the petty kingdom.

Messaggio originale di Valentine Michael Smith:

If you haven't yet try marrying your heir to one of the kids in the county you want. Assassinate the others until their kid is the heir and in two generations that county will be yours. You might take a prestige hit for marrying a count as a duke but an extra county is usually worth it.

I'm not used to thinking in generations yet, apparently. This didn't occur to me. I'll look into my possibilities there, thanks!

[Corrupted Sanity (Vex)]

Yeah, playing through generations is definately part of the game.

If you can find another dutchy who's ruler is a young-ish female, you can try marrying yourself or your heir to them and then your (or their) heir will get both dutchies. Works with other titles too of course.
(You could also assassinate the husband and any children that already exist. You know, the shady stuff)