Crusader Kings II

Crusader Kings II

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I'm done with this game
Apparently I've logged 56 hours with this game. That breaks down roughly as:

- 8 hours learning how to play, reading every single thing in the interface, playing through the tutorials, even the broken one. Time spent reading the wiki obviously doesn't count.
- 21 hours playing as Ua Briain of the petty kingdom of Munster, slowly growing the kingdom of Ireland and trying to maximize prestige by taking the "Become King of Ireland" aspiration until a freak crusade finds me king of SIcily. Now I can no longer take the aspiration. So long 1000 prestige.
- What's that? You only get achievements if you play Iron Man? And although I never restored an old save, it's not Iron Man? Well, I guess I better do this over! This time I'll try not to accidentally win any crusades.
- 19 hours playing as Ua Briain of the petty kingdom of Munster, slowly growing the kingdom of Ireland, managing to both take and achieve the "become King of Ireland" aspiration, vaulting me to 14k score. Try to overlook the frequent "lags" and pauses in the interface, plus the frustrating behavior when you click something but the game lags and it registers a click on the point where your mouse ended up or some point halfway between. Find some obscure satisfaction in constantly trying to advance the cause of progressivism in Ireland by either becoming Cathar or Basque so I can have a female monarch. (Never succeed. A part of me wonders if Basque countries can appoint female councilors, commanders, etc.)
- 4 hours fighting a bloody and costly civil war over Ireland while also losing three excommunication wars with other states. Curse the name of the programmer who thought it was a good idea for the default behavior of "raise levies" to raise where your levies are already vastly outnumbered, and how there's no "undo" for this behavior (like how you can disband levies where you accidentally raised them in counties where they didn't immediately jump into combat). Don't worry guys, it's easy, just always hold down the Control key when you click "Raise". Why isn't this the default, you ask? Listen, this is the middle ages, advanced tactics don't apply.

Finally win the civil war and imprison basically everyone. Manage to turn the situation around by nominating my cousin, who's now King of Scotland, as heir and then using the "commit suicide" option in the Intrigue menu. Now I'm King of Scotland AND Ireland, and the excommunication wars immediately disappear. Unfortunately, the current king of Scotland is also embroiled in a civil war.
- 3 hours fighting more bloody and costly civil wars over crown authority in Scotland. Lose entire mercanary companies due to the frustrating way that mercenaries, morale and retreats work (my merc company spawns near my capital, which is under seige, with 0 morale, and then I can't run away fast enough to avoid getting beaten up by the smaller army that's pursuing me). Curse again the name of the programmer who thought it made sense for default councilors to be "the best" in their attributes, but default commanders are No Character, No Character, and some duke with 0 martial and the Craven attirbute, and also whoever is responsible for it being impossible to change commanders during a seige. I get that it's hard to change commanders during combat, but heaven forfend I be able to say "take over as soon as this disaster is over".

Move my capital far away from their biggest army and recruit ANOTHER merc company, and start turning the war around, not fast enough to reach a positive warscore but given enough time that might have happened, but instead the casus belli becomes invalid and things are acceptable again.
- 1 hour trying to figure out how I'm going to continue on this line and eventually create the Empire of Brittania. Ireland is Tanist but Scotland is Gavelkind. I can manage to turn Ireland into Primogeniture, which I might do, but more important is turning Scotland Tanist. Maybe I can bribe this duke with a county and release some prisoners, plus hold a tournament to make everyone like me, and use this time to change the succession law at least a little bit.
- 1 hour not logged when, in a moment of distraction, a faction demands that I turn over the kingdom of Scotland and before I realize what it means I click "I guess I have no choice...". Shouting "No no no no!" I ragequit using killall -9 ck2 and restart, figuring that Iron Man saves every week or so of game time (that's what those lags are for, right???) so I should be able to go back and click the button I want, or failing that I can at least continue as king of Ireland or whatever and not have lost too much ground. Critical failure! My save file is completely corrupted and CK2 refuses to load at all. There's no way for me to continue. I have a 20MB file in my save directory called "Ironman_Munster.ck2", but maybe it's incomplete or something. I'd attach it if I knew how to do that in Steam. There are "autosave.ck2" files but they're probably not from my Iron Man game because they're a week old (in real time). All my other non-Ironman saves (which are from 100 years earlier in game time) are 25-30MB or more. Start looking for a way to undelete files, but I'm running ecryptfs and I'm probably totally screwed if I go down this rabbit hole.
- Another hour not logged: writing this forum post and self-medicating with red wine.

I had been hoping to do at least one complete play through of CK 2 to get to 1452 or whatever it is and decide that OK, really this game isn't for me, I just don't care enough about ancient history and the Abyssinians or whatever (not true: I think Abyssinians are awesome). But instead I guess I got lucky because I can give up on this disastrous pastime and save myself a week of real time plus the 1.5 GB of disk space having this game installed costs me. So thanks, Paradox Interactive, for constructing a situation I can walk away from with a clear conscience. Thanks for letting me quit when it's only 56 hours and not ten or a hundred times that.
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Strategyking Feb 9, 2014 @ 10:37am 
I can't tell you how many times I've quit before a full playthrough because it just isn't fun anymore. When you don't have any other powers to challenge you, it just gets very "blah."

edit: and don't feel bad about the achievements. I've been playing on Ironman on this save for about 30 hours and it decided to stop giving me them even though I know a couple which I should have by now (the prestige ones and others)
Last edited by Strategyking; Feb 9, 2014 @ 10:40am
eXistenZ Feb 9, 2014 @ 10:51am 
too long, didnt read.

I also dont bother what you do with your game
Alex Feb 9, 2014 @ 11:07am 
The lags you referr to may be the autosave-function.
EyedeaOne Feb 9, 2014 @ 11:43am 
When it comes to achievements only enabled in Ironman, I can't comment much on this, cause I dont really care about achievements, so I play in normal mode.

I'm at about 250 hours played. I started in Ireland too. I have a pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥ computer, and I've never had any lagging issues with this game. It always runs well and loads properly. The only lag is when it saves (its obviously gonna take a few seconds). I have it set up to save twice a year in the game (so its not much of a problem).

The only thing I can really agree with is the raising levies issue. I got caught raising levies in a county where there was already an enemy army there... but after it happened once or twice, I just learned to click control while raising them... Its a bit annoying to do, but its not that much of a deal to me.

All the other lags you're talking about, I've never noticed them (and like I said, my computer is ♥♥♥♥♥♥).
And yeah, if you're trying to play too quickly, you will miss click some of those decisions sometimes lol, it happened to me on similar situation as yours. I just reloaded at the last autosave about 5 months ago.

It seems like this game is not made for you. I personnaly really like it. The way I see it though, the game is not the problem here.

Have fun!
Last edited by EyedeaOne; Feb 9, 2014 @ 11:45am
Oxynux Feb 9, 2014 @ 12:18pm 
What is your computer specs ?
Blood Ravens Feb 10, 2014 @ 1:57am 
Well, I never have lags with this game too. Yes, they are some lag when autosaving, but when saving a big text will appear telling you that the game is autosaving.

I don't play to gain achievements, so I don't play Ironman mode. To tell you the truth, I never completed the game either. Sometimes I get bored after a few hundred years, and then start over using a new country. I never played Ireland, usually I played Castille or their Islamic neighbors, or I play some Republic nations.

Honestly, one of the important part of this game is preventing civil wars, or preventing factions gaining power. Surely there are some dissidents, but the dissidents must be taken care off as quickly as possible, because open rebellion is a dangerous affair. But rebellion, if done correctly (for example, making a vassal who got only one title to rebel, so you can revoke his title) will give you good outcome.

I never played huge nations (such as HRE, France, or England) so I never faced much internal conflicts. As I played Muslim/Spanish nations, most of the threats came from the neighbours (holy wars and conquest by Muslims). One of my goal is to reunite Hispania, I even don't manage to do this once, it's fairly difficult.
Jormundgand Feb 10, 2014 @ 4:02am 
Originally posted by MedimTek:
When it comes to achievements only enabled in Ironman, I can't comment much on this, cause I dont really care about achievements, so I play in normal mode.

I'm at about 250 hours played. I started in Ireland too. I have a pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥ computer, and I've never had any lagging issues with this game. It always runs well and loads properly. The only lag is when it saves (its obviously gonna take a few seconds). I have it set up to save twice a year in the game (so its not much of a problem).

The only thing I can really agree with is the raising levies issue. I got caught raising levies in a county where there was already an enemy army there... but after it happened once or twice, I just learned to click control while raising them... Its a bit annoying to do, but its not that much of a deal to me.

All the other lags you're talking about, I've never noticed them (and like I said, my computer is ♥♥♥♥♥♥).
And yeah, if you're trying to play too quickly, you will miss click some of those decisions sometimes lol, it happened to me on similar situation as yours. I just reloaded at the last autosave about 5 months ago.

It seems like this game is not made for you. I personnaly really like it. The way I see it though, the game is not the problem here.

Have fun!
The OP is obviousely playing on linux or mac os x (the kill command is not available in windows). If you're using mesa drivers on Linux performance is going to be... less than perfect.. still playable (on my computer at least) but UI stuttering is a very common thing and the amount of times you speak to yourself, shouting "no, the pointer wasn't even on that side of the screen!", is very high (10-20 times per hour) -- the nvidia drivers reduce the problem, but doesn't eliminate it.

I don't see why saving cannot be done in the background, so I don't think it's obviouse that the game should lag for a few seconds every time it autosaves. It might be tricky to get everything right (you need two game states -- one to be saved and one that's active) but it certainly is doable. Since the game has values stored by dates, I believe it should be very easy to support background game saving.
What ancient history are you referring to?

I'm curious--did you do your research before buying the game and while playing? Seems like you blundered into buying it. Some research; maybe looking on youtube or looking at screenshots of the interface and looking at all sorts of stuff online that explains some of the complexity of the game. They helped me and I enjoy the game at now something like 60-70 hours total (there's a lot that were unrecorded on steam in the beginning due to an issue on my end, that aren't showing up)
Tom1561 Feb 10, 2014 @ 1:49pm 
56 hours and your done with it? Well I'm just waiting for the next dlc and then I'll cross the 600 mark. Seriously you should play online much more fun that way.
Jormundgand Feb 10, 2014 @ 3:10pm 
56 hours is about half the time it usually takes to learn the basics of a paradox game.
Wuher Feb 10, 2014 @ 3:23pm 
Funny.. I thought I was the only one. 50 hours is about exactly how long it took to get a mastery of the basics of the game, not just how the interface worked(that took maybe 10 hours to fully wrap my head around). The first ten hours were exceedingly boring and frusterating but I preservered. Ireland is a good place to start if you're just learning the interface and things like that, but I found that to actually learn how to succeed and how the game functions in practice, I had much more luck doing a bunch of rapid fire games as Aragon and Castille at the 1066 start. You have easy access to allies and a lot of room for expansion. It taught me far more about how to play the game than going in Britain ever did.

I stuck with it, and in the end I found Crusader Kings 2 to be one of the most deep and rewarding games I've ever played. I had paradox games before this one, but found them too complicated and tedious to bother sticking with. Now, if only I could muster the will to sink the 50 hours into EU IV to learn how to play that..
Austin.exe Feb 10, 2014 @ 4:36pm 
also the price of this game is pathetic if you accually want the full game (140$) and not just the demo (40$)
EyedeaOne Feb 10, 2014 @ 5:09pm 
Originally posted by Clearer:
The OP is obviousely playing on linux or mac os x (the kill command is not available in windows). If you're using mesa drivers on Linux performance is going to be... less than perfect.. still playable (on my computer at least) but UI stuttering is a very common thing and the amount of times you speak to yourself, shouting "no, the pointer wasn't even on that side of the screen!", is very high (10-20 times per hour) -- the nvidia drivers reduce the problem, but doesn't eliminate it.

I don't see why saving cannot be done in the background, so I don't think it's obviouse that the game should lag for a few seconds every time it autosaves. It might be tricky to get everything right (you need two game states -- one to be saved and one that's active) but it certainly is doable. Since the game has values stored by dates, I believe it should be very easy to support background game saving.

Yes, the autosave could probably be done in the background... but that would most likely still slow the game down, at least for slow computers like mine.
And for those with good computers... the autosave feature as it is now does not stop the game for very long anyways. From what I've seen from youtube vids, some people can barely perceive the lag at all.
So I dont really see that as a bad implementation in the game.
I have never experienced lag on my mac version except the autosaves at the beginning of each year, which usually catch me off guard but it doesn't bother me at all.

And the only other lag in the game I've ever experienced is when my laptop is like 30 seconds from the battery charge dying.
Talonmaster Feb 10, 2014 @ 5:36pm 
I wont even bother to critisize all the dumb stuff so I'll just add that the lag was from ironman autosaves and I can safely say I've only recently mastered all of the aspects of the game with 350 hours on recond.
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Date Posted: Feb 9, 2014 @ 10:19am
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