Krinkov Feb 9 @ 8:35am
Problem with tanistry succession in multiplayer
Hey guys, me and my real-life brother are playing a multiplayer game in ireland, and ran into something weird with the tanistry succession. It's the first time I have had this succession law so I'm not too familiar with it.

Heres the setup:
I play as the petty king of Tara. I am also duke of leinster and count of kildare. My vassals are my son, who is count of leinster and ossory, and my real-life brother, count of Tyrconell and Tyrone. He is also the Tanist of Tara.

As I understand it, since the count of Tyrconell has the most tanist votes, my control would simply switch to him when I die, if he had not been player-controlled. And all my titles would also go to him? Or would my other titles be kept by my son?

But since he is controlled by my brother in this game, he is not my heir, instead my son is the heir of all my titles except for petty kingdom of Tara. The warning "Title loss on succession" only states Tara and when hovering over the shields of the other titles it says they should all go to my son.

Yet when I died it was immediate game over for me! How come? Even if my brother took over all my titles when I died (wich it said he SHOULDN'T) i still had my heir with his own titles as a vassal. shouldn't my control have moved to him then?
My brother told me that after I died he had gotten both the petty kingdom of Tara, the duchy of Leinster and my county of Kildare. My son still had all his titles.

Yet earlier in the game when we only had the starting setup for Tara (Me: Petty kingdom of Tara and county of Tyrone, with my brother as vassal and count of Kildare) an adventurer attacked me and took my only province. I automatically usurped the county of Kildare from my brother. His character, now unlanded, moved to a court in wales, and my brother automatically gained control of the count of Tyrconell, who was a kinsman to both of our characters

For one, why did I usurp his title like that? is that normal, or a special case for multiplayer?
And secondly, why did not the same thing happened whith me when I died, that I got control of a landed kinsman i.e. my son?

Can anyone shed any light on what happened here?
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Mutare ad Custodiam Feb 9 @ 1:05pm 
Tanistry is confusing and I have no idea how it works in multiplayer, you'd best stay clear of it.
Gorfeywog Feb 9 @ 1:23pm 
Originally posted by Mutare ad Custodiam:
Tanistry is confusing and I have no idea how it works in multiplayer, you'd best stay clear of it.
Tanistry is basically just Elective except it has to be a dynasty member.
furryseat Feb 10 @ 12:51am 
I would guess that maybe (just maybe) this happened since you were playing two characters in the same dynasty (you were, right?). Then maybe CK just decided that since it's different player it MUST be also a different dynasty... so he basically took over your dynasty?

These guys are your first characters in this particular game?
Krinkov Feb 10 @ 6:15am 
BTW, we started with The Old Gods start date.

Yeah we are the same dynasty, and before my death I was still with my starting character, while my brother is on his second. We only had one county each when I lost mine to an adventurer. But i automatically usurped my brothers title so his character became landless and moved to a welsh court. But because a kinsman of our dynasty had control of another county in Ireland, my brother automatically got control of that guy.
furryseat Feb 10 @ 6:47am 
So I guess that means the oldest one will automatically usurp the titles? And since no character (dynasty character) of yours was landed anymore...

And, wait - did you have 1 county, 1 duchy and 1 petty kingdom under direct control? Because if yes, then taking it all when getting highest title is normal - as far as I know you can't hold no land - so the petty king must have some land anyway...

But yeah, it's weird.
Krinkov Feb 10 @ 7:01am 
Originally posted by furryseat:
So I guess that means the oldest one will automatically usurp the titles? And since no character (dynasty character) of yours was landed anymore...

But when I died I did have a landed dynasty character, my son. I had given him two counties
furryseat Feb 10 @ 8:38am 
I surrender, then. Tanistry is just weird. Especially in multiplayer.
Krinkov Feb 10 @ 10:40am 
I heard that multiplayer can have pretty severe desync problems, maybe that was the cause, when two players in the same dynasty and the titles would distribute between them in a way not normal to singleplayer. A bit of desync and maybe it got screwed up
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