robo.parks Aug 26 @ 12:28am
Why do Jews get the Pegan penlty
Jews were never pagen even by the Catholic Chruch so is the game Historily wrong. Second Jewish females could Marry men of other Religions. But it would be agreed that her childern would be Jewish. Men can also marry on the same grounds. The Game prides itself in being History accurate. But really isnt. Thrid why cant Jews get Divorce. 4th the Clebration of the Hi-Holy days also should be in thier. 5th Jews were netruel in Crusades some fought foe Christians and some for Musliums. Even though they couldnt form anallinace through marrige. Thier should be that your Jewish leader can Join a Holy war. That you would from a bound say +5 for each war. Whaterever side you Pick to fight Muslim or Christian. Fact is after the Crusade for Jershalom the Pope installed a Jewish King to clam the peoples. There was peace for many years entill the templers broke the truce and the King died he had no heir. Thats the real story. Sorry the King of SCotland did not rule over Jershalom. Or Create the Kindom of Jershalem.
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alexraoul Aug 26 @ 3:20am 
Originally posted by robo.parks:
Jews were never pagen even by the Catholic Chruch so is the game Historily wrong.

Not sure what you mean by pagan penalty, they are an organized religion in the game. Assuming you mean that other religions can holy war against each them? Christians loved burning and pillaging Jewish settlements, more so then they loved looting Muslim settlements.

Originally posted by robo.parks:
Second Jewish females could Marry men of other Religions. But it would be agreed that her childern would be Jewish. Men can also marry on the same grounds.

You still wouldn't find a non-jewish noble who would agree to marry a Jew in a millions years in that era.

Originally posted by robo.parks:
Thrid why cant Jews get Divorce. 4th the Clebration of the Hi-Holy days also should be in thier

Divorce would be nice. Another religious observance might be nice, depending on balance issues.

Originally posted by robo.parks:
5th Jews were netruel in Crusades some fought foe Christians and some for Musliums. Even though they couldnt form anallinace through marrige. Thier should be that your Jewish leader can Join a Holy war. That you would from a bound say +5 for each war. Whaterever side you Pick to fight Muslim or Christian.

Historically there were no Jewish states during this time period. So whether jewish commoners joined the armies of one side or another has nothing to do with how a player of a jewish nation within the game would conduct his involvement or non involvement with Crusades or Jihads or Holy Wars. As a Jewish state you can start your own Holy Wars so why get involved in the wars of non-jews.


Originally posted by robo.parks:
Fact is after the Crusade for Jershalom the Pope installed a Jewish King to clam the peoples. There was peace for many years entill the templers broke the truce and the King died he had no heir. Thats the real story. Sorry the King of SCotland did not rule over Jershalom. Or Create the Kindom of Jershalem.

Not sure what facts your looking at. Does this Jewish king of Jerusalem have a name, a time where he ruled? Was Godfrey of Bouillon secretly Jewish? Or were you thinking of the first crowned king, Baldwin the First as being a Jew? And I`m not sure why you think anyone ever thought the King of Scotland ruled Jerusalem. And pretty sure that`s not a thing people say.
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jj_vita Aug 26 @ 3:45am 
I think the last paragraph referred to the CK2 mechanic where the ruler who contributed most to the crusade gets all the land and titles (with the king of Scotland being one of the most distant ones).
Mormacil Aug 26 @ 3:49am 
I might have commented once or twice how my Scottish ruler made the Kingdom of Jerusalem? :S Also how come this guy writes such bad english? His profile lists him as American...
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jj_vita Aug 26 @ 3:51am 
As I am thinking about it, it happened iny my games too. Once Ireland won Andalusia and the other time Tara won Jerusalem.
robo.parks Aug 26 @ 3:52am 
No Ive played the Crusader twicw now and Scotland always seems to win LOL'

My bad on History there watching to many Movies.
robo.parks Aug 26 @ 3:54am 
My Bad typing is due to California public education!!
jj_vita Aug 26 @ 3:57am 
Originally posted by robo.parks:
My Bad typing is due to California public education!!


Wait, what?

On topic: "Jewish leaders of Israel" on wikipedia didn't yield any results for this period.. However, I agree that jews could use some rework to make it worth the effort playing them
robo.parks Aug 26 @ 3:58am 
The Pegan Penelty. Troop movments. Its saids I need a LVL4 Military org. to get rid of the Pegan penlty
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Mormacil Aug 26 @ 4:01am 
That pAgan penalty means you get a penalty when you invade a pagan nation. Everybody has that. Getting MO to level 4 negates the effects.
robo.parks Aug 26 @ 4:05am 
Pass The Motza Please....................
Evil Crusader Aug 26 @ 5:09am 
What is this, I don't even. Rewrite everything, it's almost incomprehensible.
Still, gotta remind you one important factor - CK2 is a game, and as such, gameplay has to trump historical accuracy at very least occasionally.
Proprietor Aug 26 @ 5:38am 
Originally posted by robo.parks:
My Bad typing is due to California public education!!


Haha man, thats a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cop-out, blame your parents and yourself. I thought you were foreign.

Man, if you are smart enough to start a thread like this and smart enough to play ck 2, gotta get dat spelling on point.

I dropped out at 16 and can still spell Historically.....
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Mormacil Aug 26 @ 5:43am 
Hell I almost flunked English and it's not my native tongue and I do better. I'm the kid people though was dyslectic...
Charmander Aug 26 @ 6:52am 
This guy right here is proof of America's ♥♥♥♥ING HORRIBLE education.

But yeah, a lot of stuff that happen in the game have never happened in real life, like king of Scotland ruling Jerusalem. That's kind of the point of this game. I'm currently a mandè ruler of Arabia and Mali and the Sunni Caliphate. Persia and India are next in line to get conquered.
Osati Aug 26 @ 6:58am 
Originally posted by robo.parks:
. Sorry the King of SCotland did not rule over Jershalom. Or Create the Kindom of Jershalem.

As soon as you unpause the game at the beginning, historical accuracy flies out the window. Hell, I'm playing as a reformed Romuva Lithuania that won a Holy War for Germany and is currently taking over most of Russia. (The HRE was distracted by a crusade for Jerusalem (which they won, despite losing their core kingdom).)
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