Why am I dropping vassals?

[mitchincredible]

- Imperial authority
- Below vassal threshold
- Illegal external inheritance
- No rebel victory against me

What mechanic is causing vassals to drop out of my realm?

[Lightsong]

I think the illegal exernal inheritance only applies to de jure vassals? Which vassals are dropping out? Are they going independant or being absorbed elsewhere?

[mitchincredible]

Originally posted by Lightsong:

I think the illegal exernal inheritance only applies to de jure vassals? Which vassals are dropping out? Are they going independant or being absorbed elsewhere?

Independant. I had Duchy of Pest and Duchy of Cyprus drop out. Looked at the province history and it seemed it was due to a change in dynasty, but I don't understand why they weren't still under me.

[Lightsong]

Are they De Jure?

[Blackhearted Shaman Jr.]

It's possible that the inheriters were independent and they just left

[mitchincredible]

Originally posted by Lightsong:

Are they De Jure?

Had the Roman Empire, some were, some weren't.

Originally posted by goducks480:

It's possible that the inheriters were independent and they just left

So, an unlanded character with no liege? Doesn't that still breach the inheritance law since they themselves are considered outside the realm?

[Chapedict Benman]

I have also had a similar issue, although admittedly I do not have the external inheritance illegal law.

A vassal duke inherited a county (due to the count having no regular heir), and immediately became independent. No warning icon and, as far as I can tell, no reason for this.

There was a war going on between the duke and the count (revocation war) that was rendered invalid due to the count dying (murdered by the duke's other count) - is this related somehow?

I would really appreciate any help to avoid this in future.

[Varainger]

Originally posted by mitchincredible:

Originally posted by Lightsong:

Are they De Jure?

Had the Roman Empire, some were, some weren't.

Cyprus and Pest are enot dejure HRE , so unless you had the kingdom titles as well and their laws changed appropriately, there you have it. I don't have Conclave, but i don't think that the way it actually works changed (apart from that it's a law with Conclave and not bound to CA anymore).

Just the mention following, as i wasn't sure how to interpret the info in your second post.
The other option is that they inherited higher titles outside your realm, thus dropped out of your realm as you put it and then maybe handed out the old titles to another dynasty and thus gave the impression that the dynasty changed. The title history info should tell if it was inheritance or land granted.

[Lightsong]

It has to be a de jure issue combined with independant rulers gaining higher tier titles

[mitchincredible]

Originally posted by Varainger:

Originally posted by mitchincredible:

Had the Roman Empire, some were, some weren't.

Cyprus and Pest are enot dejure HRE , so unless you had the kingdom titles as well and their laws changed appropriately, there you have it. I don't have Conclave, but i don't think that the way it actually works changed (apart from that it's a law with Conclave and not bound to CA anymore).

Just the mention following, as i wasn't sure how to interpret the info in your second post.
The other option is that they inherited higher titles outside your realm, thus dropped out of your realm as you put it and then maybe handed out the old titles to another dynasty and thus gave the impression that the dynasty changed. The title history info should tell if it was inheritance or land granted.

No, the ROMAN Empire. Cyprus had become de jure after 100 years because a vassal took it around the time I created Rome. The history showed a change in dynasty as you said, but I think a character was generated to take the title because there were absolutely no heirs.

[mooosin]

Originally posted by mitchincredible:

Originally posted by Varainger:

Cyprus and Pest are enot dejure HRE , so unless you had the kingdom titles as well and their laws changed appropriately, there you have it. I don't have Conclave, but i don't think that the way it actually works changed (apart from that it's a law with Conclave and not bound to CA anymore).

Just the mention following, as i wasn't sure how to interpret the info in your second post.
The other option is that they inherited higher titles outside your realm, thus dropped out of your realm as you put it and then maybe handed out the old titles to another dynasty and thus gave the impression that the dynasty changed. The title history info should tell if it was inheritance or land granted.

No, the ROMAN Empire. Cyprus had become de jure after 100 years because a vassal took it around the time I created Rome. The history showed a change in dynasty as you said, but I think a character was generated to take the title because there were absolutely no heirs.

It wouldnt generate a character if they have a liege, if they have absolutely no heirs it reverts to the liege

[mitchincredible]

Originally posted by 024tniaPffuHI:

Originally posted by mitchincredible:

No, the ROMAN Empire. Cyprus had become de jure after 100 years because a vassal took it around the time I created Rome. The history showed a change in dynasty as you said, but I think a character was generated to take the title because there were absolutely no heirs.

It wouldnt generate a character if they have a liege, if they have absolutely no heirs it reverts to the liege

Then I don't understand how another dynasty got it and wasn't a liege. Perhaps succession laws for the province prevented certain characters from holding it?

[Varainger]

Originally posted by mitchincredible:

No, the ROMAN Empire. Cyprus had become de jure after 100 years

Oh i see..

.... The history showed a change in dynasty as you said, but I think a character was generated to take the title because there were absolutely no heirs.

- Oh interesting, Was that also the case with Pest and the other titles ? Maybe they did all get independent when there was no dynastic heir left ? That would sound like to me like a bug in such case.

- By the way do you run any mods (that could influence titles and inheritance) ?