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| HYDRA | nubsboy Dec 10, 2013 @ 10:33am
the previous games where beter (opinion)
i want to know what other people think about the tomb raider game and if they like it more then the old ones like tomb raider I and II
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GoBucks76 Dec 10, 2013 @ 11:14am 
The opinions varify - some people like the gameplay and graphics of the new game while others prefer the tomb raiding and puzzle soliving of the older games. I've played them all and while I loved the old games at the time they came out I respect the attempt to reboot the franchise and try some new things.

Lara's journey to becoming a "survivor" may not sit well with a lot of the older fans, especially considering how MANY people she actually kills in the new game, but considering that they're trying to tell a different kind of story in the new game I really liked it.

Just my opinion though...
| HYDRA | nubsboy Dec 10, 2013 @ 11:24am 
thanks for your comment. and yes its your opinion and thats all i need :)

Originally posted by GoBucks76:
The opinions varify - some people like the gameplay and graphics of the new game while others prefer the tomb raiding and puzzle soliving of the older games. I've played them all and while I loved the old games at the time they came out I respect the attempt to reboot the franchise and try some new things.

Lara's journey to becoming a "survivor" may not sit well with a lot of the older fans, especially considering how MANY people she actually kills in the new game, but considering that they're trying to tell a different kind of story in the new game I really liked it.

Just my opinion though...
PrimeSonic Dec 10, 2013 @ 11:33am 
* "were better"

Moving on.

I haven't played the previous games so I can't exactly compare, but I will say that this one was a bit too linear than what I expected. I enjoyed it, sure, but it often felt like a movie trying to be a game, rather than a game trying to be a movie.

That said, it wasn't terrible, the plot was decent, even with its holes. If this was a game trying to be a movie, then I enjoyed the movie.
But if the earlier games have more of an emphasis on puzzle-solving than this one, I could probably get behind that.

This game, at least for the main story, could be replaced with a single long cut-scene and almost nothing would be different.
Campylobacter jejuni Dec 10, 2013 @ 12:46pm 
You forgot the artificially time-stretching killing orgies from the middle of the game on. Especially the one at the monastery.

And sneaking is kind of pointless because you always go into automatic sneak mode where it would be advisable anyway.

Basically the game has too much Call of Duty. It's good for everything that's typical for Crystal Dynamics games, and bad for everything else. Well, the salvage system is interesting, though fairly pointless.

Overall it's very enjoyable, but if they ever reboot Soul Reaver like this, blood will flow.
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Chik'Tikka Quick Dec 10, 2013 @ 1:00pm 
imo new one is very easy, practically infinite ammo, easy puzzles, no real challenge, and new Lara is a sociopathic mass murderer by the end..... but the story and the visuals... absolutely excellent, totally hope this game gets all the awards, except for puzzle solving+^_^+
| HYDRA | nubsboy Dec 10, 2013 @ 1:16pm 
i thought the same thing with not having a real challange thanks for your comment :)
Originally posted by Chik'Tikka Quick:
imo new one is very easy, practically infinite ammo, easy puzzles, no real challenge, and new Lara is a sociopathic mass murderer by the end..... but the story and the visuals... absolutely excellent, totally hope this game gets all the awards, except for puzzle solving+^_^+
Rockhead Gaz Dec 10, 2013 @ 1:42pm 
This honestly depends on what mood I'm in. Sometimes, I want to play an action game, with some nice shooting and lots of big bangs and explosions, and for those times, I would choose the reboot. Other times, I like the platformy-puzzle-solving focus of the older games, and for those times, I'd probably be quite likely to choose TRA, TRL or TRU.

I still love TR's I-III, but to be honest, I find the controls to be a bit frustrating nowadays. I still play them from time to time, but the later games in the series were some of the best, in my opinion, and they're still very playable.

Anyway, both old and new are fine, both do things differently, but have enough in common to justify their existence in the same series, particularly as the reboot seems more of a study of the character of Lara than anything done previously, and purely because they both do things differently from each other, I couldn't make a choice of which I prefer, simply because by tomorrow morning, my choice may have changed.
Kael13 Dec 10, 2013 @ 3:40pm 
Having a blast with this game. It's hugely entertaining. Beautiful scenery, gripping story and narrative and the exploration sections are lots of fun, too. Sure, she's killing lots of dudes, but the game does a brilliant job of explaining *why*.
| HYDRA | nubsboy Dec 11, 2013 @ 7:05am 
thanks for your comment mate :)
Originally posted by Kael13:
Having a blast with this game. It's hugely entertaining. Beautiful scenery, gripping story and narrative and the exploration sections are lots of fun, too. Sure, she's killing lots of dudes, but the game does a brilliant job of explaining *why*.
Thumper Dec 14, 2013 @ 1:41am 
TR is one of those game's that get's better every time a new one come's out.i never played TR 1, i started with TR2, 3 , TRLR, AOD, skipped afew n picked up TRU, now that being said, i've played the new one more then TRLR n TRU combined, and i played those two alot. this TR has become the gameplay you wanted in those early game's, i enjoy the fire fight's here more then the jump n shoot of old
Tuskan GA Dec 14, 2013 @ 3:21am 
Originally posted by Rockhead Gaz:
This honestly depends on what mood I'm in. Sometimes, I want to play an action game, with some nice shooting and lots of big bangs and explosions, and for those times, I would choose the reboot. Other times, I like the platformy-puzzle-solving focus of the older games, and for those times, I'd probably be quite likely to choose TRA, TRL or TRU.

I still love TR's I-III, but to be honest, I find the controls to be a bit frustrating nowadays. I still play them from time to time, but the later games in the series were some of the best, in my opinion, and they're still very playable.

Anyway, both old and new are fine, both do things differently, but have enough in common to justify their existence in the same series, particularly as the reboot seems more of a study of the character of Lara than anything done previously, and purely because they both do things differently from each other, I couldn't make a choice of which I prefer, simply because by tomorrow morning, my choice may have changed.

This, in my mind, is a good stance on things. What's better for one person may not be better for another, and in all likelyhood neither is objectively right.

It's a preference. Like prefering the color red to blue. Someone who likes red may absolutely hate the color blue, but that doesn't affect the merits of the color blue for the person that prefers it.

I personally really enjoyed most of TR2013. I felt that, in the story department, it did something I hadn't seen done before and it did it well. The character growth of Lara the Archeologist into Lara the Adventurer was handled with surprising subtlety and was drawn out the full length of the game. Gameplay didn't always reflect it, but it wasn't handled strictly in cutscenes either.

It had a ton of other issues besides that one thing, even in story elements, but in my opinion any advancement in storytelling in video games is a good thing regardless of any flaws that might accompany it. Forward progress should always be celebrated.

Besides the story, I really enjoyed the gameplay. Yeah, it was easy, but frankly I don't really mind that. That isn't to say I don't enjoy difficulty (look how many hours I've sunk into STALKER) just that difficulty doesn't make a game. A game could be as difficult as spinning gold out of flax but if the gameplay elements aren't enjoyable, it doesn't matter.

In the end, the enemies were enjoyable to fight because they reacted to attacks well and never felt like bullet sponges, even when technically they were. The weapons felt powerful and their sound effects, though a little weak at the start, become extremely satisfying later on.

And the platforming was very smooth, with good animation and excellent, if a little too forgiving, jump detection. Some of the action set pieces were a joy to play through precisely because I was still in control.

Things like the burning bridge/tower mid-way through the game and the final sequence to save Sam at the end feel epic whenever I play through them because it feels like one wrong step would spell disaster.

All in all, this game is my personal Game of the Year. It didn't have a whole heck of a lot of competition, considering about the only other game I played that was released this year was Bioshock Infinite (and I felt that game was incredibly overhyped).
☥Imi-ib☥ Dec 14, 2013 @ 12:43pm 
I enjoyed it. But I also thoroughly enjoy TR:Angel of Darkness, and not a lot of people liked that. It's a good game, for sure. Just hope they bring back some of the exploration of Tombs if they are gonna do a sequel. THAT would be suh-weet!
bigclouds Dec 15, 2013 @ 1:39am 
i think it's a great game, different from the old ones, easier but,imho,more funny
| HYDRA | nubsboy Dec 15, 2013 @ 7:32am 
thanks for your comment
Originally posted by Tuskan GA:
Originally posted by Rockhead Gaz:
This honestly depends on what mood I'm in. Sometimes, I want to play an action game, with some nice shooting and lots of big bangs and explosions, and for those times, I would choose the reboot. Other times, I like the platformy-puzzle-solving focus of the older games, and for those times, I'd probably be quite likely to choose TRA, TRL or TRU.

I still love TR's I-III, but to be honest, I find the controls to be a bit frustrating nowadays. I still play them from time to time, but the later games in the series were some of the best, in my opinion, and they're still very playable.

Anyway, both old and new are fine, both do things differently, but have enough in common to justify their existence in the same series, particularly as the reboot seems more of a study of the character of Lara than anything done previously, and purely because they both do things differently from each other, I couldn't make a choice of which I prefer, simply because by tomorrow morning, my choice may have changed.

This, in my mind, is a good stance on things. What's better for one person may not be better for another, and in all likelyhood neither is objectively right.

It's a preference. Like prefering the color red to blue. Someone who likes red may absolutely hate the color blue, but that doesn't affect the merits of the color blue for the person that prefers it.

I personally really enjoyed most of TR2013. I felt that, in the story department, it did something I hadn't seen done before and it did it well. The character growth of Lara the Archeologist into Lara the Adventurer was handled with surprising subtlety and was drawn out the full length of the game. Gameplay didn't always reflect it, but it wasn't handled strictly in cutscenes either.

It had a ton of other issues besides that one thing, even in story elements, but in my opinion any advancement in storytelling in video games is a good thing regardless of any flaws that might accompany it. Forward progress should always be celebrated.

Besides the story, I really enjoyed the gameplay. Yeah, it was easy, but frankly I don't really mind that. That isn't to say I don't enjoy difficulty (look how many hours I've sunk into STALKER) just that difficulty doesn't make a game. A game could be as difficult as spinning gold out of flax but if the gameplay elements aren't enjoyable, it doesn't matter.

In the end, the enemies were enjoyable to fight because they reacted to attacks well and never felt like bullet sponges, even when technically they were. The weapons felt powerful and their sound effects, though a little weak at the start, become extremely satisfying later on.

And the platforming was very smooth, with good animation and excellent, if a little too forgiving, jump detection. Some of the action set pieces were a joy to play through precisely because I was still in control.

Things like the burning bridge/tower mid-way through the game and the final sequence to save Sam at the end feel epic whenever I play through them because it feels like one wrong step would spell disaster.

All in all, this game is my personal Game of the Year. It didn't have a whole heck of a lot of competition, considering about the only other game I played that was released this year was Bioshock Infinite (and I felt that game was incredibly overhyped).
BronzyIsland85 Dec 15, 2013 @ 4:26pm 
The game is god aweful.
Don't even insult the Tomb Raider trilogy by comparing this trash to those fantastic games.

When people buy a Tomb Raider game....they buy it for two sole reasons.
1)platforming
2)puzzle solving

Its the same two reasons people buy the Prince of Persia series.
Platforming and puzzle solving.

Well. I bought this game to platform and puzzle solve.
So........
Where are the puzzles?
When do i get to platform?

Because all i find myself doing is playing through a survival/horror game that is bloated over with the most excruciatingly painful QTE with the strictest timing ever in a QTE and lots and lots of forest meandering.

This game is the complete opposite of what you expect, love, admire and adore from the Tomb Raider series.

Desperately regretting my purchase here.
Thank God i only paid 10 bucks for it thanks to the steam sale.
If i had paid the full 50 bucks i think i would be having a foam mouthed fit right about now.

Where oh where are the ingenius puzzles from Anniversary?
Or the thought provoking platforming of Legend?
Or the fluid non stop pace of Underworld?

The game sucks.
Admit it guys.
it is 100% nothing like the older Tomb Raider games.
Nothing like them at all.

The intrusive obnoxious QTE bring the game sometimes to a screeching halt due to unnecessary strict timing that has no leniency to its QTE whatsoever....havent had this many QTE since Ninja Blade which, btw, was infected with so many QTE that it too ruined that game.
The boring meandering around a dark forest....what am i playing, Tomb Raider or Alan Wake?
I can't tell.
The free aiming with no lock on that is fine if you are stealth killing someone from a distance but a terrible pain in the ♥♥♥ if you are facing off against an entire squad of goons that have you in their sights.
The mundane puzzles and platforming lacking in challenge....
it goes on and on just how bad this game is.


just......smh in disbelief.
what a terrible mistake to buy this game.
Lol at game reviewers giving this game positive reviews.
lol, eh, obviously bought and paid for reviews by their gamesite ad sponsor Square Enix.
Obviously.

I bought a puzzle-solving platformer in the genre of TR and PoP.
What I got was a survival/horror game in the vein of Alan Wake, Silent Hill, Resident Evil.

This sucks.
:-/
i feel jipped.

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