Protoss Oct 16, 2012 @ 4:55am
Torchlight II makes multiplayer cheating easy
Runic should do something against cheating in multiplayer. Since you can use your single-player characters and modify them however you want - the cheat programs are even linked on their official forums(!) - multiplayer with strangers is pretty much dead. And no, I won't link the cheats here.

Closed servers would come in handy...
Last edited by Protoss; Oct 16, 2012 @ 4:55am
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Adrenaline Oct 16, 2012 @ 5:41am 
They allow people to mod TL2 howeber they want. It is up to the person if they want to cheat or not. It is not a closed system, but it is still a good one.
igortroy Oct 16, 2012 @ 5:56am 
"Runic please make closed servers. and an auction house. with real money. and no support for mods so people won't cheat. and pretty cutscenes with Afro-American angels. and..."

oh shut up and go play Diablo 3 already

I guess you really have no idea how a game you-can-do-what-ever-you-like-in-because-it's-yours looks like, from all the DLC-wallet-leeching, DRM-player-frustrating "AAA" titles, that people in suits who don't give a ♥♥♥♥ about your gaming needs, have been feeding you with a tea-spoon so far.

this is Torchlight. not Blizzard's piece of DRM-server-error-repetetive-60-♥♥♥♥ing-dollar crap!
Protoss Oct 16, 2012 @ 5:57am 
I don't mean mods, I mean third party cheat programs.

@igortroy: Your argument is invalid since open and closed servers could co-exist. Will you buy me Diablo 3 or how am I supposed to play it?
igortroy Oct 16, 2012 @ 6:00am 
Originally posted by GOG Protoss:
I don't mean mods, I mean third party cheat programs.

you don't want to play with cheaters? don't play with cheaters. that simple.
the game even goes as far as flag any "suspicious" char for you, so you get to use your head.
Protoss Oct 16, 2012 @ 6:04am 
From the third party cheat program I mentioned:

Optional character legitimacy controls to restrict build possibilities to only those that could have been produced through normal gameplay. (If you use these, your character will not be labeled as a cheater.)
Cheats -- give your character more gold, clone your character, change single-player difficulty level, resurrect dead hardcore characters, promote a softcore character to hardcore, and (resurrect and) demote a hardcore character to softcore. (Your character will not be labeled as a cheater.)

So, how am I supposed to "use my head" if it is not flagged?
Melbournestorm Oct 16, 2012 @ 6:09am 
Originally posted by GOG Protoss:
Runic should do something against cheating in multiplayer. Since you can use your single-player characters and modify them however you want - the cheat programs are even linked on their official forums(!) - multiplayer with strangers is pretty much dead. And no, I won't link the cheats here.

Closed servers would come in handy...

You know you can password your game? you can make it where only your friends join. -_- so your closed servers isnt needed. Unless you have no idea how to create a game with options like that. Besides if your joining random games well its simple you join if they are cheating you leave and dont join it. if they are awesome and playing legit add them as friends so you can play with them when you create. and besides not hard to leave a cheating game and join another. It also tags them in their character sheet to let you know if they have used cheats on them. so you know if you want to play with them or not
igortroy Oct 16, 2012 @ 6:14am 
Inspect other players.
see a character that isn't flagged, but has a "cheated" (console-created) item equipped? or a level 2 sword with 2000 DPS?
and how about a level 30 Berserker with 1000 strength and 15k HP, or a level 10 char using a skill you need to be level 24 to unlock? don't even need a build calculator open in another window to spot those. and I still have it just in case.
found someone in your party who's cheating? it's up to you to decide if you keep playing, leave the game, or vote to kick him out.
Torchlight 2 gives you everything you need and still manages to be open and moddable with offline single-player. unlike D3.
Melbournestorm Oct 16, 2012 @ 6:19am 
Originally posted by igortroy:
Inspect other players.
see a character that isn't flagged, but has a "cheated" (console-created) item equipped? or a level 2 sword with 2000 DPS?
and how about a level 30 Berserker with 1000 strength and 15k HP, or a level 10 char using a skill you need to be level 24 to unlock? don't even need a build calculator open in another window to spot those. and I still have it just in case.
found someone in your party who's cheating? it's up to you to decide if you keep playing, leave the game, or vote to kick him out.
Torchlight 2 gives you everything you need and still manages to be open and moddable with offline single-player. unlike D3.

This right here. jeez its like people want a announcer screaming saying hes cheating hes cheating. seriously not hard to look out for obvious cheats and the flag system. If this game had PVP than i could understand but in a PVE game its not that much of a issue.
dierampe Oct 16, 2012 @ 6:49am 
Its a problem you cant solve. Torchlight 2 gives you total freedom in terms of do Mods , the ability to do LAN games and play offline. But Freedom comes with insecurity. I like the way Runic did this. Just play online with people you know and trust and enjoy the freedom TL2 gives you.
dɇadm♥♥ Oct 16, 2012 @ 7:43am 
Cheats? Lmao , who in da love of Bubba my pet want's to cheat on this type of games? Really?
I have an engie at lvl 100 with ♥♥♥♥ spells and cuz i cannot find the potion of respec i decided to give a go to another engie..wich i did and he's currently lvl 80+ and since level 45 i'm using the gear i had on my 100 , yes that is right , a lvl 45 can equip your ''requires lvl 100'' from about that level if you are good in puzzle. Why did i've typed that? So you know if you see a player that has gear that normally it's for lvl 100 on lower level to not be confused that he is a cheater. Gear beside level has other requierments than level , if you have the stats you can equip any gear from about lvl 45-50.

To arrive at your problem , i can only say 1ONE thing to you: PLAY WITH FRIENDS or make NON CHEATER ones to play with , is not hard , you only need patience. Cheating unfortunately will never stop since is in the bone of our society , and i think every game has cheats , since the guys who makes them need to test some things so you won't have problems with your gameplay experience. I sincerely wish you the best of luck.
Retorrent Oct 16, 2012 @ 8:09am 
Runic has already said it would not have closed server, they are a small company and can't afford that type of setup so I wish people would give up that dream. They also said that they give us all the tools we need to police our own games so their is no need for closed servers

Im 90+ hours in on this game and Ive only had to kick a total of 4 players since I started multiplayer and it only took me a few seconds to look at their character to figure it out.

My question is why would anyone pay for 3rd party software when all those things listed can be done in just the console commands or just by starting a lan or online game?

Lets see those points

1.give your character more gold .... pretty dam easy to do in console no special software
needed

2.clone your character..... pretty easy to do also seeing the game makes backup saves of characters already again no special software needed for that.

3.change single-player difficulty level - this one real easy start a lan and online game change the difficulty again no speical software needed, and what is the point of changing it? Higher difficulty dose not get you better loot in this game so no point of changing it unless you want more of a challange.

4.promote a softcore character to hardcore- not much point to this either not like hardcore gets better loot perks over a softcore only reason I see to do this is to cheat the achievment system

The only benefit I see to this 3rd party crapware is the abitly to unflag your characater I wonder how much they are charging for this scamware because that thing sounds like a total rip off if you ask me. But hey if someone is dumb enough to pay these guys for crappy software that dosn't really do anything special then they deserve to get ripped off.


Oh and I forgot to add that they also give you a ban list to put all those cheaters on.
BasenjiMaster Oct 16, 2012 @ 9:11am 
Hopefully they will have online character in Torchlight 3 thanks to the huge sales of T2.

Borderlands 2 has the same cheating problem.
igortroy Oct 16, 2012 @ 9:23am 
Originally posted by BasenjiMaster:
Hopefully they will have online character in Torchlight 3 thanks to the huge sales of T2.

Borderlands 2 has the same cheating problem.

oh hell no!
if Runic ("old Blizzard") turn into new Blizzard, I stop buying.
I'm ready to tolerate all possible cheaters, bugs, glitches and logouts as long as Torchlight games stay open, moddable, with no crap DLC that costs more than the game, and with a Single Player mode that DOES NOT require you to be connected to any damn server to play a game you payed good money for.

this is the way it was back in Diablo I&II days and that's the way it should be, and all those evil game corporations that kill small companies, clone games, and try to enforce their greedy, restrictive ways on the gamers who pay them - can go ♥♥♥♥ themselves!
Protoss Oct 16, 2012 @ 11:12am 
Originally posted by igortroy:
this is the way it was back in Diablo I&II days and that's the way it should be

Yes, but only they also had an optional closed Battlenet server. That's all I ask for. ;-)
But it seems I can only play with friends then. Oh, well, too bad.
piixiiie Oct 16, 2012 @ 11:46am 
i wish i could up-vote some comments in this tread. :D
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