Torchlight II

Torchlight II

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Innomen Feb 5, 2014 @ 10:03pm
I'd explain why but apparently that would be "abrasive" of me. I guess the only kind of feedback that is desired is obsequious praise.

Edited on 2014-02-12 1055 AM
Play Path of Exile instead.
Last edited by Innomen; Feb 12, 2014 @ 7:55am
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Aherin Feb 5, 2014 @ 10:32pm 
I'm willing to listen man. I love this game, but i know it's far from perfect. Maybe we can help you fix whatever went wrong.
Innomen Feb 5, 2014 @ 11:03pm 
Well thank you. I swear the night people are the kindest people :)

I already had to delete one thread due to a dog pile, and I already uninstalled it. But just because you so nicely offered t listen, the problem is the atrocious multiplayer system. (Oh god, there I did it again I complained, Runic defense league engage in 3....2....1....)

It actually wants me to gut my firewall when no other arpg (or any other MP game I've played in the past 3 years) makes such a demand. In some threads they even try to blame the routers.

Poor coding, poor design. Turned a potential d3 killer into a single player stand alone expansion . I loved d2, d3 froze and shattered my heart, tl2 stomped on the shards.
Aherin Feb 6, 2014 @ 12:22am 
Yeah the mp problem is a big one, but sorry man that's one thing I don't know how to fix. I play from Australia anyway so I kind of gave up trying to find a good connection cause everyone's playing from the US. I'm presuming you read all you could on the net about it?
Did you send a help ticket to runic? Cause they actually did help me get my game running much better. I wish they had the resources to set up a type system. Then TL2 would be the king :)
HK Feb 6, 2014 @ 3:27am 
I hear ya, especially the part about gutting your firewall. Another Dev Team here told me pretty much the same thing. To uninstall my AV/SW and disable my firewall. I was like, "What?! For one game? I don't think so." $15 wasted.

I think all those mods players use, is the main problem to it all. Amature modders and mods full of bugs. I play Vanilla and have only once tried to log onto a server. I managed but, the players were idiotic so, that was the last time I tried.

PrimeSonic Feb 6, 2014 @ 4:04am 
Try Path of Exile, it's a F2P on Steam that's the other spiritual successor to D2. (and no, it's not Pay2Win, all in-game-purchases are purely for aesthetics.)

It's online only so they have the multi-player issue licked, if that's really a big deal for you.

Personally I haven't had the need to play multiplayer on this yet, and I'm quite enjoying the single-player experience. But if that isn't enough for you, at least you have other options.

Hopefully you find a game that has what you're looking for.
Ragic Feb 6, 2014 @ 5:10am 
im trying to think of reason to play multiplayer in T2 in the first place..... nope cant do it. If i can finish the game NG+++ veteran mode, kill any boss, finsih any map, loot any legendary by myself, why would i put myself through the aggrivation of a POG?
Thats not to say youre problems with mp werent porperly addressed. I just dont see how its a deal breaker to enjoying the game.
Tachyon Feb 6, 2014 @ 8:32am 
Originally posted by Ragic:
im trying to think of reason to play multiplayer in T2 in the first place..... nope cant do it.
Neither can I. I refuse to PUG in games these days anyway, so multiplayer will never be an issue for me in any game I play. It's a shame for those who like that kind of activity though.
Last edited by Tachyon; Feb 6, 2014 @ 8:32am
Laika Feb 6, 2014 @ 11:17am 
lol 'runic defense league', are you ♥♥♥♥ing kidding me? people apparently arent allowed now to defend a game that there is nothing all that wrong with, without others going "OH GOD NO LOOK OUT ITS THE [x] DEFENSE FORCE!!!". yeah, great comeback you got there pal. why would anyone wanna listen to you when youre gonna act like such an♥♥♥♥♥and say♥♥♥♥♥♥like that for no real reason at all? and only 'praise'? how about actual, valid criticism and not just things that are outright problems with your end?
there are some problems here and there with the game, yes, but is it the worst ARPG you make it out to be, just because you have a slight difficulty playing online? no, it is far from that and you really need to get over yourself
my firewall is up and running with no need to shut it down at all to play TL2, youre just incredibly stubborn and just want to throw your food on the floor like a 5 year old.
then again, you like the♥♥♥♥♥♥show that is diablo 3, so why even bother? just go back to your casualized garbage thats been run into the ground by blizzard, and you wont need to bother at all to close your threads down like a big baby when the merest mention of "o noes the defense leagues r here" sends you running for the hills
|x|SiriuS|x| Feb 6, 2014 @ 1:08pm 
Originally posted by Antisocial Gamer:
I'd explain why but apparently that would be "abrasive" of me. I guess the only kind of feedback that is desired is obsequious praise.
Originally posted by Antisocial Gamer:
I already had to delete one thread due to a dog pile...
the problem is the atrocious multiplayer system. (Oh god, there I did it again I complained, Runic
defense league engage in 3....2....1....)

Wow, you really are a piece of work, you know that?
Although I said I wouldn't care how you react to my - polite - reminder about manners,
this is going too far to be left alone.

1. No one said it is abrasive to voice criticism - Your profanity screaming behaviour was.
Lots of *Badwords* and lots of "!!!!!" will earn a response you won't like. Fact.

2. You "had" to delete the flaming "dog pile" you wrote because it was just a hate
and rage post, nothing more. You didn't try to discuss, you just spouted insults and
quite frankly behaved like one would expect from a bad-mouthed, entitled, 12 year-old
CoD kid. You obviously realized that, because you deleted it right away after getting the responses you got.

3. No one even tried to discuss your "issues" because of the above, and while the other
responses were quite rude, they were like that because of your incredibly abrasive main
post. I simply felt the need to point out that being more polite results in much more
helpful and friendly answers - as you can see from this thread - but instead of
simply trying again in a more friendly manner, you felt the need to insult us in a
not-quite-clever and toned down kind of way by saying what I quoted above.

At least you left out all the heartheartheartheart words this time that made your other
post hard to read to begin with. It's kinda sad to see that you seem to have
acknowledged the main point of what was said, and then still feel the need to get back
at us like this.

I am now quite interested to see how you handle this one - I wouldn't be surprised if
you just delete it again and go cry about it somewhere else.

The next time I stumble across yet another one of your raging profanities,
(remember? I told you quite a few of your other posts have caught my eye simply
because of the rude content you seem so fond of? And that's the reason I even bothered
to point out what I did?), I won't bother and simply do what is expected of us:

Report the post with full quotes, in case you back out again with "delete" and so try to
avoid facing the consequences of the bull you like to post.

Antisocial indeed.
PrimeSonic Feb 6, 2014 @ 1:29pm 
Now I feel bad about being nice and reasonable to this guy. But since I didn't see the first thread, I gave the benefit of the doubt.

Well, I hope he gets some personal growth out of these responses; pondering them and reflecting on himself and his life.
Davnat Feb 6, 2014 @ 3:55pm 
I'm a little bit lost I have a Windows 7 64bit Ult edition custom built rig and when I installed the game and went online brifly it asked to go through the windows 7 firewall and I let it on my HOME network, it works perfectly and it would still mean the game is being filtered through it and my router firewall too, so what is actually the issue here?????
Innomen Feb 6, 2014 @ 5:54pm 
And the defense league arrives in record time.


I see no benefit of the doubt given if the opinion of third parties alone changes your mind.

@Super Serial Sirus Stalker

Might I suggest you quit trolling my threads?

From a technical standopint there's nothing to discuss. When the official answer to multiplayer issues is to unlock your front door, while none of the other games you play have any trouble, it's pretty obvious where the problem is.

I won't speculate on the origin psychology of dev/corp whiteknights, but I'm sure it's depressing in a fascinating way.

Why are you so upset by me? I thought you'd be happy that I deleted the last post. That's your objective isn't it? To silence/punish all complaint? Or is that insufficient? Must all user speech be in active praise of your opinion?

@nakatomi (Die hard reference? If so cool hehe.)

As I said I already uninstalled it. Any time a third player joined, I got a connection fail, or they failed to connect to us. (This game doesn't know how to handle NAT.)

Why is that such an issue for me? Because this game ruined an opportunity for me to play with my best friend and her young son, and I was the one that bought him the game. I wanted to facilitate and be a party to their bonding a little, and it was trouble from the start and ended with me leaving so they could play as a pair.

I felt cheated on a number of levels.

Firstly, the MP system is so half♥♥♥♥♥♥♥that you can't even create an account from within it, his dad had to help him navigate the webpage while his mom and I got ready for his arrival and worked out how to find each other on the runic net client thing, which actually managed to be difficult with only 137 active players. (I'm assuming that was just our server?)

And have you seen the torchlight 2 page? It's incredibly sparse. It screams default template. Not at all what you'd expect from a team with such an illustrious past.

Secondly, I can't get a refund under any circumstances, I know better than to even ask. I'm extremely disgusted with how eager users are in general to tolerate exploitative situations. (I'm a big fan and donor to the EFF I actively oppose such situations, which I guess makes me "abrasive.") Sirus and company following me around to scold for daring to complain is a flagrant example of that apologist, scold the heretic attitude.

I mean look at the quip above about "heart heart" words. The censorship doesn't bother him, my forcing them to expose it does. Wow.

Could he be more eager to please those with what passes for power here? (The only real power they have here is to steal with impunity, but that's enough given that I've spent hundreds of dollars on games over the years.)

Thirdly, speaking of pay, I could have easily "pirated" (More like manufacture, but whatever. Like anyone here knows who Falkvinge is.) this game. But I didn't because I like to play by the rules, even when they are corrupt. ( Color me a different brand of corporate lacky I guess. Or at least well trained. :/ ) Had I pirated this game and then stopped playing due to the MP issue, I would be in the same situation if steam would grant me a refund, but expressly because I play fair, they fleeced me.

That's my thinking and my feeling on this topic, but really there is no issue anymore. I already unistalled it, and barring massive future changes I doubt I'll ever play it again.

@single players

Yeah, I played it single player too, but that got boring because the character classes are extremely rigid after playing titan quest and dredmor. But like I explained my objective wasn't to play so much as it was to facilitate play in a game that I think is rather suitable for children. It's cartoony, fairly straight forward, colorful, clever, etc. I intended to meta game basically, to support my friend and her son and just kind of watch them enjoy the game and hang out, and blast monsters in the mean time.

So yeah, that's that. I'd close this thread if it were permitted.

Sirus is right about that, I probably will end up deleting it again, after all, I can't mute it and I can't unsubscribe, and I doubt sirus is going to let anyone other than him have the last word. So I see this turning into a lose/lose situation post haste.
Last edited by Innomen; Feb 6, 2014 @ 5:59pm
Rathia Feb 6, 2014 @ 6:48pm 
Ive heard a good deal about MP issues but I seem to be on the side of the scale that feels no impact. Granted, I've had some issues since I'm on wireless but it's more of a household type of thing; I prefer a hardline-type of connection and so ethernet-ing my router vastly stabilized the experience. I've had no demands for gutting my firewall as you put it - it's up and running and so is the game, 130+ hours strong.

My personal complaint about the MP is that this game's steam has died down since release and mods have taken over, so "vanilla" MP is to be enjoyed during peak hours for the most part, and even then it depends on your progress (NG+ game lists have a single hand's count of games up at any one time.) So it's sadly become a bit of a game you play online with a group of friends to get the most out of it.
PrimeSonic Feb 6, 2014 @ 7:17pm 
Originally posted by Antisocial Gamer:
And the defense league arrives in record time.
I see no benefit of the doubt given if the opinion of third parties alone changes your mind.
Quite simple. They weren't opinions. They were testimony of people who were here to see what I didn't. And you didn't exactly call them liars. Opnions change when new information is presented. Not changing your opinion in light of new evidence is the paramount of intellectual dishonesty.

In any case, I'm really sorry for you. I know the MP could be done better. And so far, it hasn't gotten old for me yet but as you can see, I have less than 100 hours played so far.

I just hope you learned to research the game in question before you buy multiple copies of it, only to later find out that it isn't what you expected.

In any case, I must ask. Just what exactly were you hoping to accomplish by coming to the community discussions for this game, one normally watched by people who happily play the game, and going on a rage-rampage? Even if every one of your concerns is legitimate, and yes, they are indeed legitimate, you weren't asking for help with solving the problem. You just came to vent your anger.
Honestly, what were you expecting to accomplish with that? What response did you honestly think you would get?

See, it doesn't matter what the replies were or what the circumstances are, you acted like a child that needed to scream somewhere. Coming to a game forum to say "I am uninstalling this game" is beyond immature. There was no need to announce it, especially if you weren't looking for help.

So honestly, I hope you read this carefully and do a little growing up. Learn to handle situations like a dignified adult, not a spoiled child who breaks their own toys when they don't do the thing they expected.
Last edited by PrimeSonic; Feb 6, 2014 @ 7:17pm
Innomen Feb 6, 2014 @ 10:48pm 
Originally posted by PrimeSonic:
(about what I expected)

Explore the difference between "testimony" and hearsay. Not that it matters, whatever I say (or don't say) you'll just selectively interpret to fit your preconception anyway.

If I delete the thread you win, if I engage with you, you win, if I ignore you, you win... Like debating religion with the pope. Zero point.

Guess I need to start learing to mark as read without reading. That's the real opportunity for growth. To learn that not everyone (especially corporate apologists) is worthy of a reply as if it's a human right.

Anyway, it's ironic that you speak about "Research" but then question the pupose of a complaint post.

:P You see the problem here?

How during the course of research is anyone supposed to find flaws if all complaint is scolded and dog piled into deleteing their threads?

Besides, I find your caveat emptor rhetoric tired and repugnant. It's the economic equivalent of "she was asking for it."
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