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[Pn^2] Dudler  [developer] Oct 28, 2012 @ 12:41pm
[Warning]aGoD has no XP support
So I'm making this thread to warn any Xp users not to get the unfortante buying of dwarves with out owning vista/windows 7/windows 8. There seam to be a few users that have ended up in this unfortante situtation.
Last edited by [Pn^2] Dudler; Oct 28, 2012 @ 12:43pm
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lynnsharp Oct 29, 2012 @ 4:17am 
So GoD will not work with XP - is this what you are saying?
If so will there ever be a patch or a workaround?
I hope so as I have been waiting ages for this game to come out and I do not want to have to return it for a refund :(
Khalan Oct 29, 2012 @ 6:15pm 
They've already tried to get it running on XP:
Originally posted by ZEALBinary:
Alright, I have been working on a solution to run A Game of Dwarves on Windows XP for several hours now and the easy part was to get DirectX 10 and 11 to run on it, as needed for A Game of Dwarves to run(but isn't native to Windows XP).

It didn't solve the problem though. Windows XP has a Kernel32.dll version of 5.1 and it doesn't support some multithreaded functions that A Game of Dwarves is in need of. This dll is highly protected and after alot of effort I managed to replace it with version 5.2 from Windows Server 2003 and 6.1 from Vista and/or Windows 7. The OS didn't want to boot up using these verions of kernal32.dll and I guess that is why it's so protected.

My conclusion is that the game will never be able to run on Windows XP. I'm sorry guys. It's easier for you to just install Windows 7 or Windows Vista. You can run multiple operation systems on the same machine if you insist to stick to Windows XP. Cheers everyone!
http://steamcommunity.com/app/200370/discussions/1/864949659129994572/
keeveek Oct 30, 2012 @ 7:28am 
Why on earth a game looking like this require DirectX 10, I don't know.
Khalan Oct 30, 2012 @ 6:16pm 
The engine they are using only supports DX10 and 11:
http://www.bitsquid.se/
al103 Nov 2, 2012 @ 3:29am 
I wonder if somebody would manage to install DirectX 10 on XP (as quote above say it's possible) then implement something like this http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2964408 only for this game...
Mivo Nov 2, 2012 @ 5:00am 
Originally posted by al103:
I wonder if somebody would manage to install DirectX 10 on XP...

DX is only part of the problem. If you scroll up a bit to Khalan's post, Binary (dev) explained why there is no way to get AGoD to work on XP.
bryonhowley Nov 2, 2012 @ 6:56am 
I see this as a good thing the OS it ten years old and needs to DIE already.
Reizei Nov 2, 2012 @ 7:02am 
Awesome, I just bought this game and had problems launching, only to find out I completely wasted my money.
al103 Nov 2, 2012 @ 7:09am 
Originally posted by Mivo:
DX is only part of the problem. If you scroll up a bit to Khalan's post, Binary (dev) explained why there is no way to get AGoD to work on XP.
No, he said that there is no way to make later windows kernel as standard for XP. X-Com have the very same problem which was sidestepped by putting renamed kernel from later Windows in X-Com folder and command files edited to accept said renamed kernel instead of standard XP one.
snakeoil Nov 2, 2012 @ 8:06am 
I hope you can get your money back. The title here should be (Warning) I'm still using XP though.
EagleBones Falconhawk Nov 3, 2012 @ 9:20am 
In the System Req on the store page it says this will work on Windows Vista/7, so why are people with XP buying this game? was this info not on the store page before? why are people not looking at this info before they buy? Im lost as to why the devs need to put this as a sticky when the information is already on the store page.
Zyklon-Basti Nov 7, 2012 @ 1:35pm 
Originally posted by woody8917:
In the System Req on the store page it says this will work on Windows Vista/7, so why are people with XP buying this game? was this info not on the store page before? why are people not looking at this info before they buy? Im lost as to why the devs need to put this as a sticky when the information is already on the store page.

Yes, it's completely reasonable to expect people to check the system requirements for a budget game that looks like Wiggles. Should've known that it utilizes modern technology.

Well, I've learned my lesson to always check requirements from now on, but seriously... The developers should have seen this coming. 27% of all people still use XP, while about 56% use Vista+7. It's not like we're a minority.

So when you released the game, you knew that people were going to buy it accidently, and instead of adding a warning in the game description or the key features (it didn't even need to be negative, just something like "A Game of Dwarves uses a brand-new engine that utilizes DX10 and DX11!"), you instead tried to save face by creating a thread on the forum that only a marginal number of customers visit before buying the game. It's less of a warning and more like an explanation that you discover when you try to figure out why the game doesn't run.

Long story short: You probably knew that this was going to happen, but just didn't care enough to do something about it. Players can't refund their games after all, so unhappy customers don't really hurt. (If there is a way to refund, please let me know.)

Sorry for pointing fingers and sounding angry, I'm just a little disappointed. Incidents like this make me wish I'd simply pirate games instead of buying them.
[Pn^2] Dudler  [developer] Nov 8, 2012 @ 4:30pm 
Originally posted by JAMANNGLURAK:
Originally posted by woody8917:
In the System Req on the store page it says this will work on Windows Vista/7, so why are people with XP buying this game? was this info not on the store page before? why are people not looking at this info before they buy? Im lost as to why the devs need to put this as a sticky when the information is already on the store page.

Yes, it's completely reasonable to expect people to check the system requirements for a budget game that looks like Wiggles. Should've known that it utilizes modern technology.

Well, I've learned my lesson to always check requirements from now on, but seriously... The developers should have seen this coming. 27% of all people still use XP, while about 56% use Vista+7. It's not like we're a minority.

So when you released the game, you knew that people were going to buy it accidently, and instead of adding a warning in the game description or the key features (it didn't even need to be negative, just something like "A Game of Dwarves uses a brand-new engine that utilizes DX10 and DX11!"), you instead tried to save face by creating a thread on the forum that only a marginal number of customers visit before buying the game. It's less of a warning and more like an explanation that you discover when you try to figure out why the game doesn't run.

Long story short: You probably knew that this was going to happen, but just didn't care enough to do something about it. Players can't refund their games after all, so unhappy customers don't really hurt. (If there is a way to refund, please let me know.)

Sorry for pointing fingers and sounding angry, I'm just a little disappointed. Incidents like this make me wish I'd simply pirate games instead of buying them.

You have the right to be angry but on the note of us not caring you are wrong. We do care. we din't know any way to make it more visable at the time of luanch. But we are sorry for your luck. We put the warning here to explain and as many go into the game hub to see what people say before buing the game.
T.H.Time Nov 8, 2012 @ 5:16pm 
Originally posted by JAMANNGLURAK:
Originally posted by woody8917:
In the System Req on the store page it says this will work on Windows Vista/7, so why are people with XP buying this game? was this info not on the store page before? why are people not looking at this info before they buy? Im lost as to why the devs need to put this as a sticky when the information is already on the store page.

Yes, it's completely reasonable to expect people to check the system requirements for a budget game that looks like Wiggles. Should've known that it utilizes modern technology.

Well, I've learned my lesson to always check requirements from now on, but seriously... The developers should have seen this coming. 27% of all people still use XP, while about 56% use Vista+7. It's not like we're a minority.

So when you released the game, you knew that people were going to buy it accidently, and instead of adding a warning in the game description or the key features (it didn't even need to be negative, just something like "A Game of Dwarves uses a brand-new engine that utilizes DX10 and DX11!"), you instead tried to save face by creating a thread on the forum that only a marginal number of customers visit before buying the game. It's less of a warning and more like an explanation that you discover when you try to figure out why the game doesn't run.

Long story short: You probably knew that this was going to happen, but just didn't care enough to do something about it. Players can't refund their games after all, so unhappy customers don't really hurt. (If there is a way to refund, please let me know.)

Sorry for pointing fingers and sounding angry, I'm just a little disappointed. Incidents like this make me wish I'd simply pirate games instead of buying them.

You should always check the system requirements for every application you install. Not just games. There have been quite a few changes to the windows api and you cannot expect a developer to not take advantage of better technology. People still use ie 6 but is that going to stop developers from taking advantage of HTML5? No it isn't. Microsoft themselves stopped support for xp in 2010. Why should third party developers continue to care about it when Microsoft themselves doesn't.

If you are going to use an 11 year old operating system you should be prepared to have more and more applications not working in the future.
Fizzgig Nov 9, 2012 @ 4:56am 
People still use XP? But seriously, its your responsibility to check the system requirements of everything you buy. It quite clearly says which operating systems it supports. Like others have said, XP is an old operating system, you cant expect people to make games work with it forever.
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