Behind Enemy Lines: Chapter 1, Page 4 of 28

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Welcome to Behind Enemy Lines.
In this post series, you will witness strictly confidential material (screenshots of private conversations) from Specialist League (SL) owners' Trello-page.[www.trello.com]

The Specialist League (SL) owners were at the given time:

• (SL) Uncle Fred (UF)
  
• (SL) Brosky (BRO)
  
• (SL) Vermillion (VM)

What you are about to witness, is entirely up for your own interpretation

Chapter 1: Explanation for SL-VG Split

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Thank you for your attention.

I welcome you to take part in the discussion, but please keep comments civil for everyone's sake.

A wise man once said;

Originally posted by A wise man:

The more you disagree with someone, the nicer you should talk to them.

Yours sincerely,
Sterling

[KaempeLaeske]

Trouble sure seems to follow you guys around. First it was LoS, which Fred told me spawned the SL AFK Manager to help deal with server attacks. Then ObZen. Then it was EZF, which Fred told me, through my now deleted appeal, was because of a couple of members being silly on the SL servers. The whole community was banned, but people were allowed back on the servers if they removed their community tag and appealed a case they had nothing to do with. Now you have trouble with VG and friends of the community. Everyone must have it out for you :P

[| Davidian |]

"Janaz has brought KL and the Davidian community onto the Vertigo box."

http://imgur.com/gallery/vB9B5

[Silence]

If SL explained what happened and was actually being honest about it, I would be shocked as it would have shown some minute shred of honesty, integrity, and common decency, something SL's leadership sorely lacks.

You know, the reason I'm mentioned as not listening is because I wouldn't listen to Fred and his leaders lies about Janaz or that bloody hack tool he had cooked up for "Self Defense" purposes as he so claims. I know better than that because I was there and I was HELPING SL/VG fend off attacks on those servers at one point. So tell me, why would Janaz attack his own servers? Tell me why someone would struggle to keep servers up if they were just going to attack them/shut them down just to get rid of Fred? I mean, if the split up was any indication, that would be simple enough to do and would have required absolutely no effort at all. There would be no need to DDoS your own box so that you had other people asking/panicking over fixing the issue almost every other breath. I mean, no admin is that stupid to give themselves that kind of headache, regardless of their reasons. And lets be honest here, Janaz basically extended a helping hand to SL and Fred back in 2014 when SL was going to shut down their servers for good due to attacks and other forms of crazy going on back then, just as he did for Davidian's group, so why did Janaz wait and choose to be an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ later on down the line and cause himself all that trouble and drama? That doesn't add up no matter how you slice it.

And lets talk about the so called "Self Defense" tool. Thats a laugh isn't it? Using a hack tool for self defense. Is it self defense when it was used against various groups/servers because they don't agree or because they didn't want to integrate into SL? Is it self defense when you want to claim your servers are the best and everyone else's is unstable/poor performing? Is it self defense when you subvert groups, chase off players/communities you don't like, and "keep" players, oh excuse me, "assets" from those groups so that they would never play or build another server again? Is it self defense when you constantly harrass people, make them out to be targets to attack, and otherwise threaten people while lying through your teeth almost every other breath about players and communities in this game? I'm sure we all know the answer to that don't we? All I'm going to say is that no hack tool is ever used/developed for self defense where it is not used offensively in some way. Its always there to cause harm to someone or some group of people.

But then again, I wouldn't listen, so my view of what constitutes as "self defense" or rational thought is clearly scewed and I just simply do not understand the intricacies of running a community. Perhaps you should ask NTN, ObZen, ZE, Gate88, Davidian's, VG, LoS, EZF, CvG, STARS, GobStop, ZrU, Sammys/SoD, and many others what their definition of "self defense" means since it seems SL is constantly defending itself from all those awful, evil groups and their players who constantly threaten them and cheapen ZPS all the while arrogantly claiming these groups are ruining everyone else's fun. No one else could possibly have a different opinion, playstyle, or way of doing things, thats impossible! How dare anyone want something different or something to call their own!

I sincerely hope this counts as an answer to my being more "amenable" into coming back to helping you SL folks with anything at all. I learned my lesson the first time after helping you people with your servers and community only for you to use that as a weapon against others. Its funny, but everyone is seen by SL as an "asset" to exploit until they are no longer useful or become a threat that must be "dealt with". Not one person in ZPS is a player, a person, or part of the ZPS community to SL, they are either an SL asset or an enemy of the state. The sad part about all of this: its all over a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game.

As for the rest of you SL folks, I want you to think about your community for a moment and I want you to think about the extremist state it seems to be in right now. Contracts, individual sit downs on issues instead of actually addressing anything, constant excuses, constant reminders of what is prohibited without any good reasons for why, empty promises and goals with a large price tag and absolutely no returns, etc. etc. etc. Is it really worth your time or effort? Is it really all that fun to constantly engage in this silly business day in and day out over a game? Shouldn't this just be a game and shouldn't you be able to play where you want, when you want? Shouldn't loyalty, respect, and community be something that a group earns/cultivates over time for it to truly be of any genuine value? Its nice to get gifts and games and all that and contests can be fun, but when all a clan/community can offer is excuses, contests, and prizes for winning, can you actually even call it a community at all or is it a giant raffle system you just pay into and hope for something of value? I'm not going to tell any of you what to do or where to play, but, if it were me, I know I wouldn't play on servers with a group of people who did not value me and only considered me an "asset" to use to further their own selfish desires.

[KaempeLaeske]

Originally posted by Silence:

If SL explained what happened and was actually being honest about it, I would be shocked as it would have shown some minute shred of honesty, integrity, and common decency, something SL's leadership sorely lacks.

You know, the reason I'm mentioned as not listening is because I wouldn't listen to Fred and his leaders lies about Janaz or that bloody hack tool he had cooked up for "Self Defense" purposes as he so claims. I know better than that because I was there and I was HELPING SL/VG fend off attacks on those servers at one point. So tell me, why would Janaz attack his own servers? Tell me why someone would struggle to keep servers up if they were just going to attack them/shut them down just to get rid of Fred? I mean, if the split up was any indication, that would be simple enough to do and would have required absolutely no effort at all. There would be no need to DDoS your own box so that you had other people asking/panicking over fixing the issue almost every other breath. I mean, no admin is that stupid to give themselves that kind of headache, regardless of their reasons. And lets be honest here, Janaz basically extended a helping hand to SL and Fred back in 2014 when SL was going to shut down their servers for good due to attacks and other forms of crazy going on back then, just as he did for Davidian's group, so why did Janaz wait and choose to be an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ later on down the line and cause himself all that trouble and drama? That doesn't add up no matter how you slice it.

And lets talk about the so called "Self Defense" tool. Thats a laugh isn't it? Using a hack tool for self defense. Is it self defense when it was used against various groups/servers because they don't agree or because they didn't want to integrate into SL? Is it self defense when you want to claim your servers are the best and everyone else's is unstable/poor performing? Is it self defense when you subvert groups, chase off players/communities you don't like, and "keep" players, oh excuse me, "assets" from those groups so that they would never play or build another server again? Is it self defense when you constantly harrass people, make them out to be targets to attack, and otherwise threaten people while lying through your teeth almost every other breath about players and communities in this game? I'm sure we all know the answer to that don't we? All I'm going to say is that no hack tool is ever used/developed for self defense where it is not used offensively in some way. Its always there to cause harm to someone or some group of people.

But then again, I wouldn't listen, so my view of what constitutes as "self defense" or rational thought is clearly scewed and I just simply do not understand the intricacies of running a community. Perhaps you should ask NTN, ObZen, ZE, Gate88, Davidian's, VG, LoS, EZF, CvG, STARS, GobStop, ZrU, Sammys/SoD, and many others what their definition of "self defense" means since it seems SL is constantly defending itself from all those awful, evil groups and their players who constantly threaten them and cheapen ZPS all the while arrogantly claiming these groups are ruining everyone else's fun. No one else could possibly have a different opinion, playstyle, or way of doing things, thats impossible! How dare anyone want something different or something to call their own!

I sincerely hope this counts as an answer to my being more "amenable" into coming back to helping you SL folks with anything at all. I learned my lesson the first time after helping you people with your servers and community only for you to use that as a weapon against others. Its funny, but everyone is seen by SL as an "asset" to exploit until they are no longer useful or become a threat that must be "dealt with". Not one person in ZPS is a player, a person, or part of the ZPS community to SL, they are either an SL asset or an enemy of the state. The sad part about all of this: its all over a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game.

As for the rest of you SL folks, I want you to think about your community for a moment and I want you to think about the extremist state it seems to be in right now. Contracts, individual sit downs on issues instead of actually addressing anything, constant excuses, constant reminders of what is prohibited without any good reasons for why, empty promises and goals with a large price tag and absolutely no returns, etc. etc. etc. Is it really worth your time or effort? Is it really all that fun to constantly engage in this silly business day in and day out over a game? Shouldn't this just be a game and shouldn't you be able to play where you want, when you want? Shouldn't loyalty, respect, and community be something that a group earns/cultivates over time for it to truly be of any genuine value? Its nice to get gifts and games and all that and contests can be fun, but when all a clan/community can offer is excuses, contests, and prizes for winning, can you actually even call it a community at all or is it a giant raffle system you just pay into and hope for something of value? I'm not going to tell any of you what to do or where to play, but, if it were me, I know I wouldn't play on servers with a group of people who did not value me and only considered me an "asset" to use to further their own selfish desires.

A refreshing read, Silence. Thanks for sharing!