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<>...mAma:)) May 27, 2013 @ 11:41am
Arma needs an injection of Battlefield to make it relevant
I say this becasue after playing for a few hours, its come to my attention that the failings of the Arma series to really make it mainstream, is not the Develpper's talent, but their community links.

With any popular game, PC in particular, there will be crowd that develops that consider the game their own and have become familiar with the status quo and fear and resent change. Despite the mod scene with this series which is laudable on behalf of the developers, the chicken did definatley come before the egg; Arma has been the foundation without which, non of these mods would exist.

DayZ is one example of this; but also an example of how there is a wider audience out there that do not want the 'war simulation' presented to them in a hardcore manner, but something more mainstrean, perhaps less complex which they can personally have an effect in.

There is an audience out there which wants to enter and leave a game depending on time constraints, they have lives, jobs, study and cannot and do not want to expend countless hours into learning the complex array of controls, tactics and stratergy that is often touted as a vital aspect of the game. Instead, they want a streamlined experience, simple to get into and get out of, with the sense of some accomplishment at the end of the their gameplay.

Things have moved on in the gaming industry, Bohemia is one of the few remaining PC centric Devs out there and they need to let go of the PC fanboys and armchair warriors that have kept this series from going furhter and reaching out to the audience which is and has been waiting forever for a military game that provides what Battlefield fell short of.

CONTROLS

They are too complex; but I understand that there will be players that have gotten used to teh layout and remap controls according to their set up. Fine. But there should also be an option or version of the game which mirrors the established default set up used by mainstream games. There is a reason why such default set ups have become almost universal' because they work, its easy for a player to move from game to game without adjusting their muscle memory and gaining instant enjoyment. Bohemia need to work on this.

There are already mods which aim to simplify giving orders using a commo-rose type control wheel, this is a great thing, but this needs to be baked into the main game if the complexity is to be maintained. Such thinking will attract a greater amount of players who can identify immeditaley with similar control scheme and adapt easily to fluid and intuitive advanced controls.

GAMEPLAY

The focus with this game has been on Clans which is fine, yet again ignores how gaming havs changed and become more mainstream. Many people do not want to join a clan, to be directed by armchair generals and people who take the game more seriously than they do or want to.

Gameplay needs to cater to all groups; to the casual gamer, to the hardcore and to the myriad of players who lie somehwere between the extremes. This is how games reach out to the mainstream audience and broaden their appeal.

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The abole is just a couple of thoughts but there are many more ways in which the series can adapt a more mainstream flavour without compromising the hardcore foundation and history which has been established.

Battlefield fans find difficulty in understanding why Battlefield 3 was so much more popular than Battlefield 2, or why maps such as Operation Metro remain the most played.

I realise that many here will find critisim in my observations and reccomendations; I don't care. The steam forums do not in any way represent the Bohemia forrums where mods which do the things I have mentioned are welcomed and appreciated.

Modding these features in will not attract the mainstream; mainstream audiences want these features 'out of the box' and will flood this game becasue of the graphics and realism, but become disheartend by a combination of complexity and sneering arrogance by longer term established players who have little toleration for change, lack an understanding of what makes a game popular and remain butthurt that the core game has been ursurped by DayZ.

If you want to keep the core gameplay alive with Arma 3, you will have to encourage Bohemia to adapt their game to welcome the frustrated shooter fans, waiting for a game to tick all the boxes. Arma 3 could very well do that, but the thing is, its core fanbase has let it down but being unrepresentative of the wider gaming public.


Thanks for reading
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B1MBLE May 27, 2013 @ 11:45am 
Everything that you have bleated on about simply means that this game is beyond you and you require a more sedate and shallow fix for your needs.

Do not let the door hit you on your unrequired @ss on the way out. No need to come back. No need to reply. Your point is made. Bye.

P.S.: None of us want to welcome "shooter fans" and why you think we should or, the company should, simply points out both your ignorance and your arrogance.

Jog on.
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<>...mAma:)) May 27, 2013 @ 11:46am 
Originally posted by B1MBLE:
Everything that you have bleated on about simply means that this game is beyond you and you require a more sedate and shallow fix for your needs.

Do not let the door hit you on your unrequired @ss on the way out. No need to come back. No need to reply. Your point is made. Bye.

I'm waiting for someone that can reply with the manners of a child. At the very least. You're not worthy of replying to. Grow up/
B1MBLE May 27, 2013 @ 11:48am 
I stand by every word. You can move along now instead of sitting there, awaiting a response. LOL. Move on, your console is calling boy...
<>...mAma:)) May 27, 2013 @ 11:54am 
Originally posted by B1MBLE:
I stand by every word. You can move along now instead of sitting there, awaiting a response. LOL. Move on, your console is calling boy...

Awaiting a response is the purpose of a thread creator. You need to move along.

Are you representative of Arma fans? Really? How pathetically sad. You responded about 1 minute after I posted. Do you scan the forums instead of playing your game? Do you have anything constructive to say? Can you say anything constructive or is your vocabulary just juvenile insults? Is age an important thing for you?
Seder 725 May 27, 2013 @ 11:54am 
Kid, I have a few words for you. Arma's not going to change a god damn thing.
<>...mAma:)) May 27, 2013 @ 11:55am 
Originally posted by Seder 725:
Kid, I have a few words for you. Arma's not going to change a god damn thing.

'Kid' and 'boy', in the first two responses.

Is this a trend by Arma fans?
<>...mAma:)) May 27, 2013 @ 11:56am 
Guys, heres a tip, if your can't respond like the adults your imply you are, don't bother.
B1MBLE May 27, 2013 @ 12:03pm 
Everything you have said is utter nonssnse based upon your narrow point of view.

You can't handle the controls, thinking them "too complex" because you are inept and are used to something within the typical FPS genre. Unlucky. They are superb and once you are used to them, like the huge player base of fans out there - just like me - they really do bring a deeper immersion.

I seriously can't bring myself to rip your entire rambling thread of utter cr@p apart because I have met Southerner's like you who think they have an idea of what they are talking about and yet, speak only ♥♥♥♥.

Armchair generals...? 13+ years in the Royal Air Force here, d1ckhead. Now move along to your ♥♥♥♥e games and do NOT come back.

This game is for us hardcore's and we want it to stay that way cause we don't give 2 shi1t's about catering to your wims.

Go whinge elsewhere. Mad yet?
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whiskers May 27, 2013 @ 12:05pm 
you make some good points in your wall of text, but just a couple things i want to point out. arma is about as far as you can possibly get from a game that is attempting to cater to casuals, its designed with solely with the hardcore military sim players in mind. also the controls, i will agree are complicated, but the jump from arma 2 controls to arma 3 controls is about as streamlined as i could imagine due to the sheer amount of actions you have avaliable in this game. playing it for a long time starts to make it feel fluid you just need to get used to it.

i am really not trying to sound rude at all but if you don't like this game, the only thing i can tell you is to play something else. this game is not for everyone, and won't ever be for everyone.
whiskers May 27, 2013 @ 12:06pm 
Originally posted by B1MBLE:
Everything you have said is utter nonssnse based upon your narrow point of view.

You can't handle the controls, thinking them "too complex" because you are inept and are used to something within the typical FPS genre. Unlucky. They are superb and once you are used to them, like the huge player base of fans out there - just like me - they really do bring a deeper immersion.

I seriously can't bring myself to rip your entire rambling thread of utter cr@p apart because I have met Southerner's like you who think they have an idea of what they are talking about and yet, speak only ♥♥♥♥.

Armchair generals...? 13+ years in the Royal Air Force here, d1ckhead. Now move along to your ♥♥♥♥e games and do NOT come back.

This game is for us hardcore's and we want it to stay that way cause we don't give 2 shi1t's about catering to your wims.

Go whinge elsewhere. Mad yet?
no need to be rude. if you cant present your point in a rational manner, it doesn't deserve to be heard.
<>...mAma:)) May 27, 2013 @ 12:09pm 
Originally posted by B1MBLE:
Everything you have said is utter nonssnse based upon your narrow point of view.

You can't handle the controls, thinking them "too complex" because you are inept and are used to something within the typical FPS genre. Unlucky. They are superb and once you are used to them, like the huge player base of fans out there - just like me - they really do bring a deeper immersion.

I seriously can't bring myself to rip your entire rambling thread of utter cr@p apart because I have met Southerner's like you who think they have an idea of what they are talking about and yet, speak only ♥♥♥♥.

Armchair generals...? 13+ years in the Royal Air Force here, d1ckhead. Now move along to your ♥♥♥♥e games and do NOT come back.

This game is far us hardcore's and we want it to stay that way cause we don't give 2 shi1t's about catering to your wims.

Go whinge elsewhere. Mad yet?


You almost managed an 'adult' response. Certainly not as juvenile.

Lets examine your points:

'You can't handle the control' - I didn't say that I couldn't pay attention. I was speaking about the wider public - it is not familiar to them, the control scheme and they will lose patience.

'Because you are inept' - good use of language, - but wrong. Anyone can pick up the control scheme if they put time into it, its not rocket science.

'They bring a deeper immersion' - You know, if you could actually communicate without the insults you'd come accross like an adult. I don't dispute that it aids immerision, if you read my point, you'd see that not everyone wants the deeper immersion and there could be an option for those that don't. Savvy?

I serious can't bring myself to... blah blah blah' - simple. No one asked you to, so don't. Grow up and reply like an adult.

'13 years in the airforce'... thats great. But i don't care. Why is that relevant to a PC GAME? Grow up soldier.

'Mad yet?' No, irritated sure, but not mad. Slightly amused as well.


<>...mAma:)) May 27, 2013 @ 12:15pm 
Originally posted by ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ whiskers:
you make some good points in your wall of text, but just a couple things i want to point out. arma is about as far as you can possibly get from a game that is attempting to cater to casuals, its designed with solely with the hardcore military sim players in mind. also the controls, i will agree are complicated, but the jump from arma 2 controls to arma 3 controls is about as streamlined as i could imagine due to the sheer amount of actions you have avaliable in this game. playing it for a long time starts to make it feel fluid you just need to get used to it.

i am really not trying to sound rude at all but if you don't like this game, the only thing i can tell you is to play something else. this game is not for everyone, and won't ever be for everyone.


Well thanks for an adult response, I truly didn't think it was possible here.

With respect to your point, I do understand the games heritage - I'm not even talking about removing the hardcore element of the game, but adapting it to those that come from the more mainstream games who number in the 10s of millions as I am sure you are aware.

Bohhemia needs to - for us PC gamers - to survive and to florish - and playing the Amra 3 alpha I can see that it is 'almost' what the mainstream will want, but wont want to put in the effort to make their experience enjoyable.

My question to you is that if there were two control schemes baked into the game, one which remained hardcore and the other more mainstream, with the gameplay tweaked to match it, would you have a problem with that? Serious question.

As for if I have a problem with the game then don't play it - I think companies can't afford this view. Its ok for a gamer to have it, for a company its not viable. True the game can't be for everyone, but shooters are popular and from the effort Bohemia have put in, I think they deserve some of the mili sim shooter payday cheques, don't you?

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MrButterfl7 May 27, 2013 @ 12:17pm 
if it's too complex for you , simply don't buy
<>...mAma:)) May 27, 2013 @ 12:18pm 
Originally posted by Xx-Khelian-xX:
if it's too complex for you , simply don't buy


If you won't read the OP, then don't comment.
whiskers May 27, 2013 @ 12:24pm 
Originally posted by <>...mAma:)):
Well thanks for an adult response, I truly didn't think it was possible here.

With respect to your point, I do understand the games heritage - I'm not even talking about removing the hardcore element of the game, but adapting it to those that come from the more mainstream games who number in the 10s of millions as I am sure you are aware.

Bohhemia needs to - for us PC gamers - to survive and to florish - and playing the Amra 3 alpha I can see that it is 'almost' what the mainstream will want, but wont want to put in the effort to make their experience enjoyable.

My question to you is that if there were two control schemes baked into the game, one which remained hardcore and the other more mainstream, with the gameplay tweaked to match it, would you have a problem with that? Serious question.

As for if I have a problem with the game then don't play it - I think companies can't afford this view. Its ok for a gamer to have it, for a company its not viable. True the game can't be for everyone, but shooters are popular and from the effort Bohemia have put in, I think they deserve some of the mili sim shooter payday cheques, don't you?
yeah one thing that really annoys me is how immature many responses are on here.

to answer your question about control schemes, no i would have no problem at all if they added an even simpler control scheme, as long as it doesnt remove the current scheme i am using and have gotten used to. I'm all for making the game more accessible to people, the only thing that worries me is that it would end up being OVERLY casualized.

as for bohemia, the current state of the game was mainly released as a test to make sure that the engine is running properly on many different configurations. Hopefully as it changes to release and they add in the campaign and story, the game will become more accessible because yes the devs do deserve a nice paycheck for this game.

for clarification accessible ≠ simple
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