octa Jan 1, 2013 @ 4:21pm
The "twist" is confusing (spoilers)
Can someone explain Salvador's explanation of everything near the end of the game to me?

Why would Fay have to lie about having been in 2050?
Why would Dalvin lie to Bent about it on the helicopter?
If it was all a ruse, why did Sadi shock Fay about the Algae not being real?
Why would Fay even have Bent go to the plant if that was the case?
Wouldn't it be easier to just get the authorities to stop Salvador?

Seriously, the whole "twist" was confusing as hell and made little sense. Can someone explain it to me if I'm missing something?
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5M0k1N Jan 2, 2013 @ 4:03am 
she lied about being in 2050 so that bent would think the catastrophe was very close and not 6 hundred years ago as it turned out i think
Sun_S Jan 4, 2013 @ 12:54pm 
I agree. Overall, it didn't make sense!
The twist in itself was good, since during the story pre-twist I thought "You have the right kind of intentions in telling a story about the environment, but that kind of change resulting from this kind of disaster? And brought upon humanity by one man alone? Guys, that stuff happens because of ALL of us." So, the twist made the cause of the changes more logical. But yeah, not the reasoning of the Fay.
Also, just played "Deponia", another Daedalic game, which has similar logical flaws at the ending. Maybe that is one of the points where they could still improve in their storytelling. Their characters are likeable and the riddles mostly the right kind of hard after all.
Rin D. Pryde Jan 16, 2013 @ 7:36pm 
>Why would Fay have to lie about having been in 2050?

As said above - to make Bent think it's much closer. In the beginning Bent also doubts her story and she says something like 'Or it maybe was 2500. I don't know, we count years differently". So she was too not very comfortable with lies and nervous.

>Why would Dalvin lie to Bent about it on the helicopter?

Delvin didn't lie - he actually was in 2500 at the moment and showed Bent true images. Delvin didn't know about all these lies, neither did he knew that Bent was informed of "slightly" different plan.

>If it was all a ruse, why did Sadi shock Fay about the Algae not being real?

Because algae wasn't real in the beginning, I guess. Fay made that up because she was really hoping that with the help of Bent she can make that real and lied to him to inspire. Apparently she told Sadi about this plan, since they were friends.

>Why would Fay even have Bent go to the plant if that was the case?

Again - because Fay didn't agree with the plan and wanted some better solution. It's clear that she rebelled against Salvador in the end, so that's why she took Bent - really to stop this.

>Wouldn't it be easier to just get the authorities to stop Salvador?

Fay was on the crossroads. She was part of the death squad, but wanted to believe that another solution is possible. It's not that she took either side till the end.
bonzi.bobby Feb 9, 2013 @ 1:14pm 
I didn't understand the ending either.

Rin D. Pryde, I have more questions for you! :)

1. I understand that Fay may have lied to Bent about having in 2050, but that means that the game was lying to US as well. The game clearly tells us that they are in San Francisco in year 2050! I am completely bewildered...

2. What about the video that Fay finds at the archive which shows how the power plant blows up? Why does that show up in the first place if the power plant didn't blow up in the first place? Ironically, its Salvador who acts as Doctor Braun and says that new energy sources should be considered, or if not a catastrophe will take place! Why would he do that if he actually wants the power plant to blow up?

3. I don't understand your answer to "If it was all a ruse, why did Sadi shock Fay about the Algae not being real?" If it's not real, what about the time capsule powered by Svensson algae?

4. The woman that appears at the end of the game, she's from the conference in Oslo right? She doesn't say however which kind of alternative energy will be used in order to replace nuclear power...

So i'm really confused!!! Please help me :)
Rin D. Pryde Feb 9, 2013 @ 10:19pm 
1, 2 and 3 - we see these chapters as Fay's story to Svensson, not in real time participating in them. And since it was Fay's lie - we see them as a lie too. So yeah, Fay\Game kinda lie to us too =)

Tape about explosion was a lie. It never existed and was part of Fay's story (well, she had enough trouble convincing Bent to help her even without mentioning that she's part of terrorist bomb squad from the future x).

And Salvador just does what he does. That's the reason Fay told lies about being in 2050 instead of 2500 - people need a feeling of *close* catastrophe to act, not in some really distant future. So they decided to make one =)

Algae power supply was never real in future. Fay made that up because she really wanted to believe that blowing up power plant could be avoided. And in reality there were no "svenssons"-generators and stuff. What we saw and operated in-game - was part of that false story. But Fay thought that if she'll make Bent believe in this technology - then the future will change. That's why she was shocked - with Sadi she was checking whether or not the future really changed because of her actions.
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Elvenmoon Mar 22, 2013 @ 12:51pm 
The way I understand it is that the algae is still underdevelloped, that`s why both Svensons are still working on it in the last scene, but all the shake-up got investors to fund their research. It appears to me that the close on the future photo on the lab wall right at the end, showing the blonde guy who read a lot (don't remember his name) and that looks so much like the Svensons is inferring that the future has`t changed as yet, or else the picture would disapear since it would have never been taken. The moment they develop the right algae is the moment the picture disapears and then thy`ll know it.
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