Twelvefield Dec 21, 2012 @ 1:16am
ArtRage versus Corel Painter
How does ArtRage compare to Painter 12? I consider myself the powerest of power users, but I have to admit I've never heard of ArtRage before the flash sale. Give you an idea: I painted my self portrait for my avatar on Painter 12 - click on it to embiggen!. If ArtRage can top that, then hoorah!
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=Maloy= Dec 21, 2012 @ 1:57am 
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n0l0p Dec 21, 2012 @ 2:11am 
In short: No, I don't think it can keep up with painter or photoshop or pretty much any of the 'big' names on the market. It's like scetchbook pro with semi realistic paint brushes.
The only thing I really like is the color picker. It has a lot of very nice presets, is very precise and fast to use, so that's one thing artRage has going for it.
If you have painter and/or photoshop you won't realy find a whole lot new or better stuff in artRage.
However, the demo is just 50MB or something, just test it yourself.
Alpha Dec 21, 2012 @ 2:37am 
Damn... I wish I could paint like that :) Is there any way to learn that or do you have to be born with it ?
Twelvefield Dec 21, 2012 @ 3:25am 
The only trick to any art form is to dedicate yourself to hard work. You just practise over and over again until something sticks. Then you edit out all the stuff you don't want and work on the stuff you think works. It's not genetic, just perseverance.

That being said, the digital tools that have come on the market since multi-core processors and 64-bit OSes have revolutionized artwork. There's so much automation that you can come up with something that looks good simply by following the program's guidelines.

Even though ArtRage isn't a big item in the toolbox, I can see that it has a few unique features that give some things it can do to stand out. Anything to get past lens flares and Photoshop gamuts!
scanner-in-my-face Dec 21, 2012 @ 3:35am 
It has a small but strong following. I'm no good at art, but I bought a Wacom tablet earlier in the year and this came with it. So from a non-expert's point of view, it seems stable and very processor/memory efficient. The ArtRage team have said several times that they are not trying to be Corel Painter. A compliment I find over and over again is how good ArtRage is simulating water colour.

There's a YouTube channel which is recorded Google Plus shows, by someone called Daniel Ibanez (link below). He uses ArtRage so you might want to take a look there, or try the demo as has already been suggested.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Mambobon
Bill Cosplay Dec 21, 2012 @ 6:08am 
Originally posted by Alpha:
Damn... I wish I could paint like that :) Is there any way to learn that or do you have to be born with it ?
You have to be born like that. It's impossible for humans to develop new skills, that's why our closest relatives are bees and ants.
crohnox33 Dec 21, 2012 @ 6:25am 
ArtRage I use it frequently for fun (for work i use ps). Its small, flexible and very easy to use.It does one job specifically and it do it good. It will take hours for a new user to set up all those AR fuctions brushes and tools to another program, even if you are a pro ps or corel user.

Originally posted by Dr. Insyclause:
Originally posted by Alpha:
Damn... I wish I could paint like that :) Is there any way to learn that or do you have to be born with it ?
You have to be born like that. It's impossible for humans to develop new skills, that's why our closest relatives are bees and ants.

Dont be ironic its more than plain hard work. You can see what we call "talent" to 6 y old kids who never touched a pencil or a music instrument before. We don't have bach's and picasso's every day.
vickan Dec 21, 2012 @ 6:31am 
The simple toolset makes it creative to me whereas photoshop & painter i would need a clear vision from the start.
Tomahawk Dec 21, 2012 @ 7:06am 
If you like painterly styles (oil or watercolour), than (in my opinion) you can't beat Artrage. I also find the clean interface less distracting when I paint or draw. Just try the demo.....
Lostedge Dec 21, 2012 @ 9:18am 
ArtRage is very simple to use and it is meant for painting not photoediting. You can spend few hundred hours using photoshop and learn to do most amazing stuff, or you can spend 5 minutes using ArtRage and do amazing stuff (that is if you already know how to paint).
Waann Dec 21, 2012 @ 9:54am 
I learned about it because ArtRage 2 was included with my Bamboo Fun tablet. But it's pretty well-known as a relatively cheap alternative to Painter; it's often featured in the mag ImagineFX, for example (they probably have a partnership, but still :D).

I don't think it can "top" Painter (it's much cheaper, after all), but your paintings could be just as easily made in ArtRage, IMO. It has fewer features, by far, but the essentials are there and more easily accessible. And I think it's more stable (I have Painter X, maybe the later versions crash less).

However, I think it doesn't use pen tilt, if your tablet supports it.
ГОРЕЦ Dec 21, 2012 @ 10:28am 
ArtRage is better because Tefomey have bought it!
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Twelvefield Dec 21, 2012 @ 12:49pm 
Painter X was a brilliant step forward for the series in terms of features, but Corel absolutely dropped the ball in terms of support and stability with that product. All 11 & 12 do is make it more stable and add a few new features. Mind you, 12's features are important to me: pen tilt and above that 64-bit support. You need a good gaming rig and lots of extra RAM to make it work well. Even so, real watercolours and oils cause it to drag. There are work-arounds.

J.S. Bach and Picasso, to use those examples, were both extremely hard workers. Picasso's work ethic in particular was massively obsessive. Work replaced his personality. There are examples of savantism and precocious youth, but even those kids end up putting in the hours. There are even rarer examples of people "born" with talent, but they are born autistic as well. It's well not to confuse talent with ability. Everybody has talent. Most of us choose to mask it for whatever reason. In my own example, I rarely sing. I could learn to sing the notes, but I choose not to, as I don't find singing at all enjoyable.

Ability, on the other hand, is like muscle. You have to work it out frequently and often to see improvement. I've seen it happen in myself and others. Many moons ago, I taught a class in character design for animation. I had one kid who could not draw anything more detailed than a stick man. I'd like to say that I taught him how to draw, but all I did was show him how twisted people become when they take on a contract to teach character design for animation. I also had him buy a copy of Stan Lee's "How To Draw Superheroes The Marvel Way". Kid used that thing like a workbook and did every page. That plus two years of art classes, plus life drawing, last I heard he was a working character designer for Ubi.
Waann Dec 21, 2012 @ 2:20pm 
I agree that you don't need a natural talent (if that exists) to learn drawing. It does help if you think practicing and seeing your progress is fun. :) That's why it's always good to keep your old drawings, even when you're disappointed with the result: that way, you can compare them with the newer ones and realise how far you've come in 2 months, or in one year...

There are many examples of people who learned painting as adults (among the most famous are Van Gogh and Monet). That means you don't have to be "born with it".
PJ Dec 21, 2012 @ 2:22pm 
Originally posted by Alpha:
Damn... I wish I could paint like that :) Is there any way to learn that or do you have to be born with it ?

you need some basic skills but you could learn I'd say...
I'm a student artist, I like ArtRage cause it's easier to use than PS or Painter when you're used to traditional mediums, but this is my opinion.

Drawing and painting needs to be trained, if you practive a lot you can be brilliant,
If you never draw at all, don't expect you're a new Rembrandt.
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